Bullying by "Violation of naming rules" - how much longer?

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I’m absolutely NOT a fan of those naming rules and how they are handled. You describe the reasons quite well.

But:

There’s one very obviouse reason why “Braniff” etc. are not allowed:

There’s very likely someone who’s still holding the rights on those names.

It's simple. In games, which are open to everyone, using legally protected brands/names is a dark zone and in this case the AS team decided to block most possibilites to violate those rules. That you can type in some names doesn't mean you are allowed to use them. You can call your airline after some insultive things, that doesn't mean you are allowed to use those names. Neither are you allowed to make names like "Lufthansa Airlines", "Continental Air Lines", "Branif", just because they are a bit different to the real brand/company. Companies will sue your ass if you just come close enough and say the wrong words...

The AirlineSim rules are clear on this matter. And obviously it's always a "subjective" thing, just like it would be in a court.  :blink:

All those rules base on 10+ years of experience, so you might wanna just go a long with them? Be happy the planes have real names, too.

How old are you, five? Not everything revolves around you, if you think the team have nothing better to do than to spend their time continuously persecuting you, you value yourself way too highly.

There are hundreds of companies in the game that violate naming rules. No, the team isn’t going to check all of them one by one, they act when someone reports them. So if you see someone violating naming rights, just report them and it’ll change.

And if you think just calling something Luftthansa is enough to bypass copyright law, then you simply have no idea how the law works.

I do not belive that somebody is actually "bullying" you. If somebody does that please report it to the team as bullying should absolutely NOT be tolerated. 

If you are willing to pay to use a copyrighted name then you can sort that out yourself with the owner of the copyright and if you don't do this the owner of the copyright might sue you.

While I can understand your anger a bit, you could probably just start to be more creative with your airline names than just taking existing ones and switching their parts around or add some letters. I haven't had a single problem with my airline names in the last nine years and I went through quite a lot of names during that time...

To avoid accidential copyright infringements, a Google search takes less than a minute.

In the past, the AS team had to approve an airline name first until you could even start operations. Now we get to start immediately, and problematic cases - which are thankfully in the minority -  are fixed in retrospect. That's a much better approach as while it won't catch all doubtful names it speeds up the process for everyone else. So yes, if you find something fishy with airline names, report it. AS is a business with paying customers so it does not want to get involved in any copyright infringement cases, so those strict rules need to be applied.

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Sky Global Partners LLC. is a power consulting company and not an airline nor aviation or related industry enterprise. A similarly sounding name is therefore not precluded.

Please learn something about trade names, trademarks, etc. And in which situations are they applied, and in which situations they are unprotected.

I see nothing wrong with such airline name.

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I like your posts here, really. You know what are you writing about, even I dont agree with you sometimes.

But, be so kind now and please explain to me, what is wrong with using “Red Globe Cargo” or Luxcargo here.

And please reply to all my questions or objections from above, using just one sentence each… Thanx.

Sorry if my post sounded a bit patronizing, it was not my intention. But I live in a country where to register a company you have to register a commercial name first in an IP office, and having started up several companies, I have gone through much nonsense and logic and illogic that I have somewhat became professional in what constitutes similar and unsimilar name and circumstances under which such comparison applies. It may be difficult to explain it everything by words because it’s only in my mind in a form of “naming sense” …

Having said that, you are right in some parts of your post, and wrong in the others.

Maybe because when you type in 'luxcargo' in Google, it will show you cargolux right the way. For 'Aero China', you won't get 'Air China Limited'. Or maybe because it's just an English name for a Chinese Airline? The proper translation for 'Air China' is actually 'China International Airlines'. The real Chinese name is nowhere near the English name, just like EVA Airways. 

The 'Red Globe Cargo' might look like a typo for 'Red Global cargo'. AS Team sometimes corrects the name that looks like a typo. However, i don't understand why the 'Red Globe Cargo' is not accepted. There is an airline on Kaitak actually use a name has a similar case. A team member actually corrected it and made it become a real airline name. Later, the player and i exchange some messages (he also knew that the name actually became a violation after the change) and decided that i will report the name to the team and see how they would react. The name was then changed back the original one.

My experience is trying to not use any name with direction, e.g. 'Northwest', 'Southern'... These names are highly risky.

My experience is trying to not use any name with direction, e.g. 'Northwest', 'Southern'... These names are highly risky.

And in your signature you have "Aero Southern"... ???

And in your signature you have "Aero Southern"... ???

Yep. I know. I don't know why the team doesn't care about 'Aero' case. However, if you have 'Airlines', 'Airways', or 'Air' in your name, most likely the name will be in trouble. I have an airline got a violation because of that. You can still use those directional words, but you need to avoid using 'air' in your name. 

My experience is trying to not use any name with direction, e.g. 'Northwest', 'Southern'... These names are highly risky.

Unfortunately this is very highly incorrect. In real life, geographic denominations are not eligible for trademark registration and can only be registered as trademarks only after such name had acquired SECONDARY MEANING. Also the historical coverage and location-based usage is important in establishing area for which such trademark can be issued and which it will cover.

For example, Northwest Airlines is a trademark in USA, but it does not prohibit anybody to register and establish real life company named Indonesian Northwest.

Same thing goes in AS. I have seen many geographic denominations along with a secondary word, which is the one that provides uniqueness and distinguishes the name from another real life geographic denomination which acquired secondary meaning.

Unfortunately this is very highly incorrect. In real life, geographic denominations are not eligible for trademark registration and can only be registered as trademarks only after such name had acquired SECONDARY MEANING. Also the historical coverage and location-based usage is important in establishing area for which such trademark can be issued and which it will cover.

For example, Northwest Airlines is a trademark in USA, but it does not prohibit anybody to register and establish real life company named Indonesian Northwest.

Same thing goes in AS. I have seen many geographic denominations along with a secondary word, which is the one that provides uniqueness and distinguishes the name from another real life geographic denomination which acquired secondary meaning.

I think i gave my example before. One of my company was named 'Trans Northwest Air Service', and later was reported. i changed to 'Trans Northwest Service Company' and everything went well. When i asked the how they defined how close the names are because it seems that the directional words are frequently used in airlines names, the answer is as close as the name i had, it will be a violation. so my conclusion is just avoiding using directional words with 'air' to avoid all the trouble you might get.

'Indonesia Northwest' won't be a trouble, but i believe 'Indonesia Northwest Air' will be. 

If i misunderstood your post, see my reply to highscore.

I used to love being devil's advocate, not this time. I failed to see any reason for op's anger. The rule is here for a reason, no matter how subjective it is enforced. It used to annoy me during my start-up, but then I just consider it a brand consultant meeting as part of starting new airline.

If anyone don't like AS rules, they don't have to play AS, find another game or make one, end of story. I certainly don't want to lose AS, because of a reckless stubborn new player engaged in possible copyright infringement. AS reserved all the rights to protect its interest. Playing AS is a privilege not a right, try to differentiate between the two. 

... The rule is here for a reason, no matter how subjective it is enforced...

Hi,

allow me to disagree.

The rule indeed exists for a reason. But every time this topic comes to the surface, it is because of the subjective way the rule is enforced.

I appreciate that moderators are volunteers, not specialists on trademark rules. That probably causes the seemingly lack of logic behind some decisions. I was also frustrated when "Mare Nostrum Airlines" was not allowed 5 years ago. And yet, it only means "our sea" and it is the Roman nickname of the Mediterranean Sea.  I am pretty sure that Air Nostrum would never win in court if they sued me. If they would be bothered in the first place. By the way, I had to change the name of my airline two more times over a period of 4 years. The last time I had to change, I asked if Mare Nostrum would be okay (my airline flew all around the Mediterranean). It was  5 years later and another moderator... he said it was fine.

Names without a link to aviation are also not allowed, but nobody ever objected to the player who called his airlines Aubergine and Orange  ;-)

Jan

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Guys, this discussion is ridiculous, as is the thought of someone being bullied in here just because names are (in my eyes understandably) denied!

Of course there can't be a clear rule on naming conventions! Courts all over the world are engaged everyday in copyright cases and there is no clear guideline, as there are so many issues involved and in the end it's an estimation on how and if a copyright is infringed. So who on earth really expects AS to have clear and precise rules on this?

Ulafme, I would like to advise you on two things:

- Just because someone from AS doesn't accept your names (and I've said it before, there are understandable reasons for that) doesn't mean you're being bullied. Does it always have to be the other's fault or is there a bit of something you could do?

- This game exists for, don't know, 10 years or so. You play this game for how long? Don't you think there are reasons or rules which have evolved over the years you might not (yet?) understand and which you simply have to accept?