I have reported this company weeks ago but no action has been taken by mods.
Airline in question- Nicosia, Indo Pacifik Connect
The player wanted an Indonesian airline to IL with his Malaysian airline. I refused, so he some how created many Subsidiaries to allow His Malaysian Holding to control the Indonesian Airline he also owns with his Indonesian Holding.
I thought this was illegal for the same player to control and Interline with two different holdings that they own. I thought this is only legal between two different players.
Can some one clarify that this is indeed legal so I can do the same thing.
Yes, it is illegal and I will bring it up in the UAB as soon as I have time if nobody else does it before.
Longer answer:
He did it by founding the enterprise as a subsidiary of his indonesian holding and signed an interlining agreement with it and later through the help of another company he acquired a majority share holding using his Malaysian holding but still keeping the Indonesian traffic rights and not Malaysian traffic rights as the company is majority owned by Indonesian company (all his) but the largest single shareholder is his Malaysian holding. Later he signed an Interlining with his new parent company which is the Malaysian holding this time. A second player helped in the transfer.
It is fully illegal to keep any agreement between two holdings thereby his IL is forbidden and without any doubt illegal. The second thing which is illegal is supplying traffic rights to a company with one holding and owning it with an other.
Please close the topic and there is no need for more public discussion.
Eventhough support hasn't replied yet, it's generally not a good idea to name other companies in public - no matter how unfair they play. Then rather contact an UAB member directly. Mistakes happen. (Not judging in this case, it's just in general.)
I would add that the Indonesian company must have had been in the hands of a third party when the Interline happened, then transferred back to the initial player.
I would add that the Indonesian company must have had been in the hands of a third party when the Interline happened, then transferred back to the initial player.
I believe in you because you are an expert on these grey areas and cheating stuff!
But yeah I've looked at the airline earlier today and that sure looked weird the way he did I couldn't understand, but there are 2 indoo airlines that wons more than 50% combined this is why the keeps the indoo trafic rights. so yeah that looks wrong.
Never. Thought this topic should not be a public discussion. Previous experiences with having cheating cases public have not been very successful and all this blaming everyone has just been useless, the UAB is fully capable of handling this internally and keeping that way is the best.
I believe in you because you are an expert on these grey areas and cheating stuff!
But yeah I've looked at the airline earlier today and that sure looked weird the way he did I couldn't understand, but there are 2 indoo airlines that wons more than 50% combined this is why the keeps the indoo trafic rights. so yeah that looks wrong.
As publicly announced due to the constant "blackmailing", threatening of legal sanctions and spamming of atleast 4 UAB (including myself) members by one of the parties involved (not Rubio). Rubio has been involved in an UAB investigation but was never found guilty for breaching the rules. Technically he has then been guilty in as many cases as you have. It seems like somebody is leaking you confidential UAB information which is clearly not allowed and should most likley be punished by exclusion.
There is nothing wrong with one player giving an other traffic rights for example look at all the AirAsia, Virgin, Etihad partners, etc who use similar structures but in this case both are holdings of the same person which makes it all different and illegal. If you would actually have read what I have written or what Rubio added to what I wrote you the process should have been very clear.
Funny how someone uses the forum for so called cheating cases until they are elected to the UAB, then suddenly the forum is the wrong place for those same cases.
Just to be clear I had reported the company through official channels weeks ago.
So far no reply or reaction/ clarification if it is cheating or not.
This player also deliberately reduced the value of an airline I purchased a large share in to $0 to deliberately damage my airlines. I also asked support about this and have had no reply. However miki was punished for doing exactly the same thing some time ago. You can look at miki vs Patrick93 saga.
Never. Thought this topic should not be a public discussion. Previous experiences with having cheating cases public have not been very successful and all this blaming everyone has just been useless, the UAB is fully capable of handling this internally and keeping that way is the best.
As publicly announced due to the constant "blackmailing", threatening of legal sanctions and spamming of atleast 4 UAB (including myself) members by one of the parties involved (not Rubio). Rubio has been involved in an UAB investigation but was never found guilty for breaching the rules. Technically he has then been guilty in as many cases as you have. It seems like somebody is leaking you confidential UAB information which is clearly not allowed and should most likley be punished by exclusion.
There is nothing wrong with one player giving an other traffic rights for example look at all the AirAsia, Virgin, Etihad partners, etc who use similar structures but in this case both are holdings of the same person which makes it all different and illegal. If you would actually have read what I have written or what Rubio added to what I wrote you the process should have been very clear.
Yeah Yeah we all know you are rubio finest but that won't bother me I didn't understand about blackmailing well I sure recieve wishes that I get killed in brazilian violence much often well maybe it's because I don't fear you either fear GRU (mr. G Thoma) CBE for my understanding you are the most declarated rubio supporter and I believe there's a invoice you must be paying.... well for me no problem either you are just another minion doing what minion does!
About the rest well for me I doesn't really care what you think because you don't represent me! I don't believe in a person that are dependant of a "allenged Cheater"
Best Regards!
Make Peace Not War!
PS: As I don't won any favor to anyone for me you and Gthoma can mary each other and live happy ever after.
Mikk has as an interlink between Merdeka and Indonesian Citylink. He keeps his Indonesian society Eira the majority of its Malaysian company. I have the so copied and now he complains?
This business model comes from the WA and mikk_13 has been around for over a year. Just as it has at that time constructed the Merdeka-Jet and the colleague from Norway has led the company.
It is that he now complains an absolute impudence. I have reported this model over a year ago but if no one is responding to be legal.
Yes, we have agreements between different players of world alliance. We do not do it with 'ourselves'
Mikk do stress quiet, then I screw the personnel costs in Indonesia once upwards and we can make the game even interesting!
do as you like
The price fell to the basement because you have everything blocked.
the price fell with in a week because you purposely destroyed the company. I would have thought this legal however miki was punished for doing the exact same thing.
Mikk has as an interlink between Merdeka and Indonesian Citylink. He keeps his Indonesian society Eira the majority of its Malaysian company. I have the so copied and now he complains?
If you want to copy some of our models, that is fine. But it is against the rules when you own both the holdings and do it by yourself.
If you want war, you'll have to. I like grounds a few small airlines in Indonesia and increasing staff costs or lower the prices or create more Direk compounds.
You have shown us the model with EIRA and Merdeka. When I wanted a deal you have ignored me.
You're just mad because you have canceled the ILs people of ISA.
Thanks for the message. To be clear your alliance cancelled most of the ILs with me when you joined their alliance. However disappointing this was due to the fact it damaged my traffic, they were allowed to do this.
Due to my time restrictions I could not have the time to write up an official case and afterwards I forgot but I have now written up the case and posted it. It is not my job to write up cases and this is the first time I have written up a case. This is quite a severe case and needs some attention. Please stop theese childish fights.