"Oh look, I wonder what he's complaining about this time"
Checking out some of the airlines when I saw "Europe Star Airlines"
Based in Heathrow, they have a fleet of 61 Let's (Imagine how much space that takes up) I ran a couple of airports on the ORS and concluded that he makes roughly -200 to -4000 loss every flight. To add insult to injury, every airline that is interliined with him is from....*drumroll....Earth stand! The parent company is "conveniently" based in heathrow too, I'm assuming as that airline grows, more planes will be taken out so the main company has enough slots.
I respect the AS staff for introducing higher ground handiling fees for high-demand airports, I don't know if there's a solution to this, I'm assuming this is "fair" gameplay as it doesn't break any of the rules (like they previously did) I think the majority of the AS community can agree with me that this sort of behavior makes the game unattractive, even I wouldn't have thought that eve Earth Stand would stoop so low as to take advantage of the game.
I've included some evidence below, you can view the rest on Aspern-Sorry if anybody disagrees but I get annoyed when I see behavior like this.
the same complaint comes back with the start of every new server. High landing fees probably work fine under normal conditions. But on a new server, you can sell your tickets so expensive that anything that flies will make a profit.
Is it fair ? I don't think so. That's why I refuse to interline with that sort of players. But none of them admit they are blocking slots for future use, so it is difficult to act.
And if it is of any comfort, blocking slots with Let's early on in the game is no guarantee for success in the long run.
Well I also don't like ES...but on many markets you can compete with them quiet nicely with a good strategy, in my Hub at MEX there is also an ES airline and actually the last weeks I had the same market share as he had, even a little bit better. He is using the Slimeline seats in Bussiness and Eco, but his loadfactor seems to be suffering a lot...So I think they are not a real problem, except for the slot issue at large airports.
I know the phrase "slot pigs" has been used before, but calling someone a "pig" in English is offensive. Let's be courteous, even if we are annoyed. :)
At the start of a new server there is a completely bizarre marketplace, and most players are working out a strategy to grow quickly and survive well.
There's a logic to buying cheaper planes, because with higher prices for a time you can make a handsome profit, and additional cheaper planes can be purchased sooner than larger ones, so there might be a slightly quicker growth too. If I was doing that in the UK, too right I'd use LHR because there's the highest consistent demand - I can aim my plane in any direction and it'll fly full. Will it work past the short term on Aspern? I doubt it, but I can understand some players will be attracted to it. What's the math on a LET from LHR-MAN on Aspern, into profit at about +50% over default pricing? I can't see that lasting long.
I've seen people on Aspern doing it who are members of no alliance, or have no affiliation to ES. But if you think it's being done deliberately just to block slots then report it.
They clearly are, I doubt that a member of ES thinks that 60 LET'S at heathrow (Loosing $2000-$4000 on fully booked flights) is a good strategy, on top of that, the airline is being using to feed these passengers to only members of ES, look at the interlining contracts! I wish this could be solved, I'm not saying ban the ES member responsible-but possibly liquidize the subsidiary?
I doubt they are going to liquidate a subsidiary. They'd just delete the account instead.
One thing that's been on my mind about the LET slot blocking thing -- if the idea is to 'save' the slots and then put in different planes afterwards (meaning, probably jets of some kind), wouldn't the flight time change and possibly cause an issue at the destination airport? Probably wouldn't make a big difference unless LHR and the destination were near 80-90 percent filled. Ah well.
The one thing I always come back to is something forexlive and I have said for a while. ES (and other airlines that do this kind of thing) are usually not run very well in the long term. Their strategy works well for a beginning server, but it has no staying power. You won't ever see an ES member start a new company on Devau or Idlewild or Fornebu. Why? Because being successful on those older servers requires a smart, tight business plan, which ES members just don't have the brains for.
You won't ever see an ES member start a new company on Devau or Idlewild or Fornebu. Why? Because being successful on those older servers requires a smart, tight business plan, which ES members just don't have the brains for.
Resource Blocking: Resources (airport landing slots, used aircraft, etc) in the game are, ultimately, limited. Therefore, making use of them for no other reason than to deny their use to another player is expressly forbidden. This particularly concerns blocking off airport slots with dummy aircraft not eqipped with crew or seats, or timetabled in such a way as to ensure cancellations will occur.
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The above paragraph is copied from the rules. So I think the current situation do constitute a case. The matter is not profitable or not. The matter is, this is a subsidiary operating at the hub of its parent in an unreasonable business model. After looking into his routes - mostly are between major airports, I think people will do such accusation (although I do not agree with the wordings)
So tell me, the person wants to experiment the profitability of LET with 60 planes?
1.The rules do not prohibit the use of small aircraft.
2.His fleet has been expanding, indicating that he is profitable.
3.You are free to curse, which shows you are no accomplishment.
1. If he was using a small fleet then that would be acceptable, but he is clearly using the aircraft to block the slots from anybody else using them, in the future he can sell the aircraft to free up space for his main enterprise
2. Yes his main enterprise is profitable, that is not the paint of this thread, he is using this airline with the funds to block slots
3. My airline on Aspern is doing well thanks, and I am playing by the rules and not ruining the game for others like this member
Can't SK, Martin, ianmason or somebody contact him about this? At least warn him about what he's doing
1. If he was using a small fleet then that would be acceptable, but he is clearly using the aircraft to block the slots from anybody else using them, in the future he can sell the aircraft to free up space for his main enterprise
2. Yes his main enterprise is profitable, that is not the paint of this thread, he is using this airline with the funds to block slots
3. My airline on Aspern is doing well thanks, and I am playing by the rules and not ruining the game for others like this member
Can't SK, Martin, ianmason or somebody contact him about this? At least warn him about what he's doing
Seems submitting via support is a better idea than posting on the forum.
I do remember there was an airline that use that very same tactic of using large amounts of LET at LHR. Later on he was severely punished by AS.
Hi,
as far as I remember, AS only acts if the slot blocking is done with flight schedules that only contain outgoing flights, planes without seats, (not activated) flight schedules, planes without pilots, and so on.
I just checked the Official Boards => Announcements, and found no example of an airline that was punished for actually flying with 50 Let's out of a major airport.
