I was trying to see if the new turnaround activities would make a via flight without any 5th freedom rights making more sense.
For instance, I'm a US-based airline, and I create a route LAX - YYZ - YUL using the via flight option. I do not have any rights to carry passenger between YYZ (Toronto) and Montreal (YUL). Theoretically, my turnaround activities using a 320 at YYZ should be like this:
Taxi In - 0:06 [Critical]
De-Boarding - 0:09
Baggage/Cargo unloading - 0:11 [Critical]
Catering unloading - 0:00 (I don't really need that isn't it?)
Cabin Cleaning - 0:00 (My passengers are still on the Aircraft yet, they shouldn't clean the cabin)
Catering loading - 0:00 (I don't offer them for a short flight)
Refueling - 0:06
Boarding - 0:00 (No Passengers are allowed to board!)
Maintenance Check - 0:12 [Critical]
Baggage/Cargo loading - 0:12
Pushback/Taxi Out - 0:09 [Critical]
Adding up all critical steps, it should be only 38 minutes. However I still get 55 minutes from the flight plan page.
Does my calculation make sense? Am I missing anything?
Without image of your TA it's hard to say where is the calculated difference,
BUT
- catering loading will never be 0 because catering loading incldues loading also of non-catering materials and objects that are needed onboard the aircraft
- same goes for unloading
-you actually CAN take passengers onboard in YYZ to fly to YUL, they must have originated in USAthough, either with your company or your interline partner.
So for your LAX-YYZ-YUL flight, at YYZ you may be actually taking onboard passengers who flew DEN-YYZ and continue to YUL on board your flight.
Without image of your TA it's hard to say where is the calculated difference,
BUT
- catering loading will never be 0 because catering loading incldues loading also of non-catering materials and objects that are needed onboard the aircraft
- same goes for unloading
-you actually CAN take passengers onboard in YYZ to fly to YUL, they must have originated in USAthough, either with your company or your interline partner.
So for your LAX-YYZ-YUL flight, at YYZ you may be actually taking onboard passengers who flew DEN-YYZ and continue to YUL on board your flight.
Hi! Thanks for the reply. I am taking passengers who remained in my flight - which means there still shouldn't be any cabin cleaning or boarding process though.
A US-based airline should not be accepting transfer passengers from an interline partner on a YYZ-YUL segment. That would be cabotage. Passengers whom have arrived in YYZ on another aircraft operated by you are free to board for the YYZ-YUL segment though. If the flight departs Canada from YUL (a ‘triangle’ flight), then passengers can board in YYZ as well.
Issues regarding operating on foreign soil aside, cleaning and boarding happens at every airport, traffic rights or not. The passengers who remain onboard the aircraft for a fictional Hub1-<TransferImpossibleMidpoint-Hub2 aren’t subjected to minimum transfer time, and the cleaning/boarding process happens around them. There may not be new passengers getting on board, but the doors have to be open so the dispatcher can hand paperwork to the flight crew.
A US-based airline should not be accepting transfer passengers from an interline partner on a YYZ-YUL segment. That would be cabotage. Passengers whom have arrived in YYZ on another aircraft operated by you are free to board for the YYZ-YUL segment though. If the flight departs Canada from YUL (a 'triangle' flight), then passengers can board in YYZ as well.
You are correct and after I did a dummy flight test booking into ORS it looks like you can really only board passengers from your own flights (though it would be logical to be able to board any passenger who originated in USA and got to YYZ, regardless of the carrier, for as long as interline exists), of course boarding YYZ based passengers (or other Canadian pssengers) would be the Eight Freedom which is not possible.