The black dot in the chart above indicates the range with 263 passengers
Consider why IL96 was grounded in 2005 due to brake issue...
I don't want to argue about this subject, and it's a bad model to talk about since the amount of aircraft produced was very limited and the time it's flying is also very limited. It just like asking you whether you consider concorde having an excellent record on safety. If you see it kept getting into trouble like some other aircraft did, no country will allow it fly any more.
Boeing 787 was grounded for several months for battery related issues - does that make it unreliable or are you just biased?? IL-96 was first flown in 1988 and was certified in 1992 - is 25 years of operation good enough for you???
From my stand of point, 787 is not good aircraft when it went into the battery issues, and that's what happened when you try new things. Also, from my stand of point, DC-10 series were one of the worst aircraft in the world, though people who run the airlines like it a lot.
If IL96s is flying as much as 777s, then i will definitely give it credit, but unfortunately it's not the case like i stated. and in addition to it's not the only Russian model having brake issues over the time, i won't give it as much credit as you did
Wow! Boeing 787 is suddenly not a good aircraft! And now you are taking the argument elsewhere. No one said the Ilyushin was as reliable and robust as the B777 (not even close). The point of contention is the fact that you made references to them as follows:
"These two planes are just not so stable and keep getting issues during operations. Aircraft is just unreliable in some point of view. "
One would imagine that they were breaking down all over the place. If nothing else, it was sheer exaggeration on your part and it is precisely this kind of prejudiced summation that feeds other people’s ignorance. Neither IL-86 nor IL-96 belong to the same level of technology available in B777 or B787 cos they simply belong to a previous era and generation. Regardless of what might be their shortcoming, they were not unreliable (not in the way you stated it) and that statement can be thrown into the trash can where it belongs.
I believe it is time to move away from this argument into more salient issues such as the improvement and accuracy of the data and simulation experience on A/S.
Matth,
Thank you for your prompt response. Here are two links affirming the cabin dimensions of the two Ilyushin models.
http://en.aircargo-msk.ru/passengerhips
and here is another for IL-86
http://ram-home.com/ram-old/il-86.html
And for IL-96,we have this:
@MIDAS, unfortunately these are not official sources, like the SSJ indicated above which is an official source from the manufacturer / marketer.
I believe everyone is familiar with the most comprehensive aviation website - Airliners.net. Here is the Ilyushin Il-86 page:
http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/ilyushin-il-86/252
Ilyushin OJSC's page on IL-96-300:
(click the small icon on the Aircraft performance line and you will see the current performance chart)
Going off topic but when reading Il-96 I can't think of anything else than this picture:
And this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhGbPM2aW_Q
I am relieved that nobody died and the plane was just parked. She is not that ugly and actually in my opinion looks better than the A340-200/300 but nothing can beat the A340-500/600. I love that beautiful tail!
Does the image below come to your mind when you read anything about the B777 also??
Or maybe this one one sends cold chill through your body every time a relative wants to board an Airbus?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9gELPxPG8Q
And yes I agree, the Ilyushin is no uglier tham the Airbus or Boeing widebody planes - they all have beautiful wings, imposing empennage and engines under their wings. Wow!! What a coincidence… :P :P 
Does the image below come to your mind when you read anything about the B777 also??
Not at all.
I get it, you have a soft spot for Russian built airplanes. However your picture shows 1 of the over 1400 777s built. The Airbus video shows 1 of over 4000 A320s built. CBE's picture shows 1 of 30 IL96s built. Quite the difference.
I do like that you have brought some attention to the broken airplane performance model used here. I would argue that correcting the 737-800, 777, and A380 should take priority over low production Russian aircraft, but I think you are on the correct track.
Fair is fair - that is all I ask for. Let us stick with truth and facts and all should be fine. I want an aviation simulation based on real facts not geopolitical emotions.
I agree that no aircraft is without faults even though flying in general is the safest method of transportation. Though that 777-200ER was shoot down by an awful group of people. I don’t know who shoot it down neither if it was a government or not thought who ever it is should be properly triald for mass murder and terrorism.
Going by your standards, please show me the official page from which the original data for Il-86 was extracted? Can you show me?? You are asking me for an official page whereas you know full well that what you are asking no longer exists. If A/S did not use official data, why then do you demand it from me just to make it impossible to make an adjustment to the data which you know full well to be wrong! You have been given the correct data but now you want to use the tactics of 'legalism' to avoid doing the correct thing. Was there an official page verifying the data for such planes as DC-8, Lockheed Tristar, Yak-42D and even F-28. Or did we simply use reliable, verifiable and dependable information from available data (just as I have done)? Why is what is good for the goose NEVER good for the gander here?? If this were a modern aircraft that is currently in production, the demand for an official page would have been understandable. Otherwise, it is just more 'obstacles' created by prejudice.
However your picture shows 1 of the over 1400 777s built. The Airbus video shows 1 of over 4000 A320s built. CBE's picture shows 1 of 30 IL96s built. Quite the difference.
Go tell that to the families of those that perished and see what they think. You are throwing numbers and data around like it matters in the real sense, but in truth, you only use it to justify your sentiments (as long as the data favors your argument). There were only 20 Concorde supersonic jets ever made and I have never found anyone that says that his/her memory of the Concorde is filled with the horrors of flight 4590! Just the kind of typical negativity that pervades any discussion about Russian aircraft (it is just baloney!). At least the Ilyushin Il-96 developers can proudly say nobody has ever perished riding in an IL-96 - the same cannot be said about many popular airliner models including the extraordinarily rare Concorde (out of the 20 that were made, only 14 were ever placed on commercial operation).
Listening to CBE make a concerted effort to say something ‘nice’ about Ilyushin is anguishing - it is like listening to Donald Trump trying to be nice to a black family or an immigrant family. :P When you are a Racist or you have deep seated prejudice, it is very,very hard to disguise or hide the fact. Imagine if Donald Trump had said this about a colored or immigrant’s child; “He is not that ugly and actually in my opinion looks better than (whoever) when he wears a suit. I am surprised that he can actually read so well” Imagine the uproar that will follow. I am always amazed at how deeply people feel a resentment for that which they have never even experienced or had any physical contact with before. “Ignorance and prejudice” are the two greatest malaise afflicting mankind.
Why so "angry"? When I asked for the same you seem to have ignored my request.Going by your standards, please show me the official page from which the original data for Il-86 was extracted? Can you show me?? You are asking me for an official page whereas you know full well that what you are asking no longer exists. Why is what is good for the goose NEVER good for the gander here?? If this were a modern aircraft that is currently in production, the demand for an official page would have been understandable. Otherwise, it is just more 'obstacles' created by prejudice.
The data in this game may not be without fault. Of course we try to make and keep it as accurate as possible. Therefore whenever we change values, we strive to improve them and not just change data for the sake of it. I also understand that in many cases there is no (more) official data available, yet there still should exist some references to the origin of the data.
It is not our intent to create “obstacles” at all, and we do appreciate help in improving game data. Yet you will also understand that data provided requires some sort of (ideally original/independent) verification. The easier we can verify these, the faster and with more confidence we can adjust those values.
There were only 20 Concorde supersonic jets ever made and I have never found anyone that says that his/her memory of the Concorde is filled with the horrors of flight 4590!
Never say never, as it is one of the 1st things that I think of when thinking of the Concorde.
Now as for the rest of your quote, wow, you need to take a step back. When you start comparing inanimate objects to humans you have lost all rational argument.
Matth,
I am not angry and I apologize if i come across as angry - perhaps a tad too passionate. And I do appreciate your candid effort to resolve the issue. I have dropped some links with consistent data. If you need any other thing or more information, please let me know. Problem is that much of my source is in print - https://www.amazon.ca/Janes-Aircraft-Recognition-Guide-5th/dp/0007257929. It is particularly hard to find reliable and ‘detailed’ information on IL-86 on internet. Interestingly, Wikipedia does a very good job on it (contrary to what usually pertains).
Ufsatp,
You may have a point there and perhaps I should take a step back. Still no one can deny the prejudice against Russian or Soviet products in here.
The information provided in the web link below was provided by G.V Novozhilov of the Ilyushin OKB where he was the general designer (equivalent to CEO in Soviet times rather than just director of product development) from 1970. It is probably the most accurate set of data on Il-86 that I have come across. If you cross-reference it with the information provided by many other sites, you will easily see the areas where they had gone off track and many times you can deduce the reason (such as using early data from initial variants of Il-86).
http://ram-home.com/ram-old/il-86.html
"In July 1970, in accordance with a recommendation by S.V. Ilyushin, his “student” Genrikh Vasilievich Novozhilov was appointed General Designer – Executive Officer of the Company by an appropriate Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR. He started working with the Design Bureau in 1948 and rose from design engineer to Deputy Chief Designer for IL-18 and operation and then to First Deputy General Designer for IL-62."