I am not sure if anyone has suggested this yet, at least no search was shown when I was looking, can we have an air craft transfer pre-booking function? for instance, When I change the entire plan for one bird(hub A to hub , I always have a 3-day delay activation, then there is this specific hour I need to transfer it to hub B, but I constantly forget about it till I get the message that says #xxxx was cancelled If there were numbers of plans I was changing, It could be a disaster.
This is what i am thinking, below the flight schedule of one air craft, we have a transfer option, would be awesome if a specific day and hour could be added for us to decide so that we know exactly how many flights need to be cancelled and have the transfer pre booked so no one would be upset.
If you change your flightplan for one of your aircraft when it is already flying you have 2 options to activate the new flight plan. Best choice is to use the 3 days delay option because it was specifically designed for that purpose and it makes sure that you will have a smooth change over to your knew flightplan with no flight cancelations. Flights are booked into the system every 30 min. And make sure you activate your flightplan only when you are happy and not everytime when you do a change because then it could happen that the flight is already booked to the system. Otherwise you have to manually cancel the flight from the system. An automated pre booked flight will NOT solve your problems because for example you fly from London to Athens in your old shedule depature time is 0700 and on your new shedule you want to fly at 0730 now to rome. If you are not using the 3 day delay you new flight at 0730 (and subsequently the return flight as wel)l will be canceled. If you have now a pre booking funktion it will cancel to flight before to make sure the aircraft can depart at 0730. It is the same thing only instead of cancelling the new flight it will cancel an old flight. And remember passengers on a specific airport are updated only once in 24 hrs and it normally take 3 days to redirect passengers onto a new flight. So 1. Modify you flights as you like. 2.Activate the new flights with 3 days delay. 3. Do NOT modify the new flighyplan for 3 days!. If you do these steps you will not have flight cancelations. But If you modify and after 24 or 48hrs you say oh I dont want that flight anymore and make a new modification you will have chaos in your plan and you will have a lot of cancellations. You nee some patience in this game
This would be handy. I think Benjamin, the idea is not to force the new plan over the old one but instead have a seamless transition between schedules. Say for example I have been operating an aircraft out of Rome and I want to change it to operate out of Berlin I change the schedule and set it to activate in three days problem being, when the old schedule completes, I have my aircraft still parked in Rome and not in Berlin to operate the new schedule. Unless I plan to be ready for the end of the old schedule and book a transfer to Berlin my aircraft will sit on the ground in Rome forcing my new scheduled flights to be cancelled.
Would be nice if you could say, at the end of the old schedule (once all flights have been flown), transfer the aircraft to its next place of departure for the new schedule either automatically or at a user specified time.
OK but this would work only as far as i know for Cargo companies that you change countries like that. If your company is based in Rome you can not switch and build a hub then in Berlin and start to operate from Berlin with Passengers. But what you can do is when you know you want to change to your new hub just cancel the last 1 or 2 flights and then transfer it. I do understand that it will be easier but only if you switch hubs on a daily base and I doubt most players do so since it contradicts also the purpose of having hubs here in the game. But its only my opinion the team is reading and may add it in the near future or not
It is possible to open several hubs all over EU (see EU Treaty) and to operate internal EU flights.
From my point of view it will be useful to have the transfer pre-book for the following situation: you are scheduling the flight and transfer your aircraft from original airport to your hub. But the schedule is starting with a flight in another airport (part of the routes from your hub). As, for me e.g, the transfer from YMX to Europe is taking at least 8 hour, it will be useful to be able to schedule a second transfer flight to the first airport from the planning.
The flights are updated in the system every 30 min and for a new aircraft 24 hrs in advance. So when you your flights are sheduled and activated just wait until you have 1 min after the full or half hour and then check were your first flight starts from and then transfer your aircraft to that place… so there is enough time to send it from Ymx to europe
OK with the EU Treaty i understand this is possible… but why would you want to do that? If you transfer aircrafts from Hub 1 to Hub 2 you will loose Passengers, Passenger Demand, Connecting passengers, Flight connections. This in turn will affect all your other flights on Hub 1. i think its better to open a new hub with new Aircrafts (new meaning not flying on a shedule right now). If you want to transfer an aircraft that has no passengers on the route where it is flying right now I would cancel the flights, transfer it to the new Hub and activate a new shedule Immedeately since it will take 24hrs until the new flight starts but you stopped your losses.
There can be many cases that cause this situation, for instance, my PVG hub is doing great and I think my CR9s, which I used to start my business, are now too small for me, I cannot dump them because I have 25 of them, so I will send them to my secondary hub, it may take me 2 weeks to do so, therefore I have more than 1 CR9’s schedule to change each day, that means more than 1 to transfer per day during those 2 weeks… I don’t know how people will handle it, maybe Miss Siri but I think a pre-book would do a better job than her since that can be done right after the schedule change.
And, you may not even need to change hub to change the schedule right? 1 bird is doing badly, change, 1 route is doing badly, change, all these changes can cause a transfer, and right now the function only allows you to transfer after the last flight of the old schedule is finished, which requires one to be really punctual to transfer, or one or more flights can be cancelled because the aircraft isn’t at the location…
I agree with Bogoss, and I don’t think that BenjaminA330 really understands the problem. I have had to move aircraft from one hub to another a number of times, and the flight transfer does not do this well because it cannot be scheduled. However, there is a way of doing it, not by using a transfer flight, but by scheduling a one-way flight.
Let us suppose your aircraft has been using airport A as a hub and has been flying A-B-A-C-A-B- etc. You now want to move it to airport X and fly schedule X-Y-X-Z-X-Y etc. Let us suppose you want the old schedule to end Wednesday mid-day and start Wednesday midnight. Then on Saturday you delete all the A-B-A-C-A flights in the Wednesday midday to Saturday morning schedule and fill the X-Y-X-Z-X-Y flights in for Thursday morning until Saturday morning, and schedule a single one-way flight from A to X for Wednesday afternoon. As Wednesday approaches you can delete more of the A-B-A-C-A schedule, then finally on Thursday you delete Wednesday’s one-way flight and fill in the entire new schedule.
So, it is possible- but pre-booked transfers would make life easier.
a pre-booking transfer function has been suggested in the past. But either it is not considered a priority, or the team does not want it because a transfer flight is free of charges (fuel, maintenance…)
I do what Tandem suggested. Besides, real life repositioning flights also get a flight number… I use flight numbers 9991 and higher for my repositioning flights. And once the flight appears on the scheduled flight list of your plane, you can use the same flight number for another plane. Just make sure you don’t let two planes fly the same flight (number) on the same day at different times.
You will have to pay fuel and crew salaries, but if you have traffic rights your repositioning flight will actually make money
I do understand your Problem… but I have my doubts that you understand the game… Airlinesim is Based on a Hub strategy according to the wiki and only in very high density markets you can be sucessful with direct flights. A Hub strategy means that you fly from your Hub to your destinations to pick up Passengers and then fly them to your Hub and distribute them through your network to the destinations they want to travel. Usually you can fly to 3 or 4 destinations a day with a short and medium Range Airplane. But if you Fly A-B-A-C-A-D-A 7 Days a week Your Passengers can travel with you every day. But if you take away flights for half a week Passengers will not travel with you since they can not go to their destinations because there are simply no connecting flights. That costs you by the end of the day a lot of passengers and you loose a lot of money. Why did you not let 1 aircraft fly route A-B-A-C-A on hub 1 and a 2nd Aircraft X-Y-X-Z-X on your 2nd hub?First you solve the Problem with your transfer flights which costs a lot of money in the real world by the way and no Airline in the world is doing this on a lager scale.It is usually done if an Aircraft is Broken and another one is send to pick up the Passengers or if it is going to bigger maintanance checks if the airline are not doing it by themselves. Second you make your hub much more efficient and create a stonger Hub by offering daily connections. I can undersyand if you want to do that if you have to wait for a new aircraft or if you want to test a routing … fine… but as I can see from your post you do this on a regular base and this I can not understand.
I do understand your Problem… but I have my doubts that you understand the game… Airlinesim is Based on a Hub strategy according to the wiki and only in very high density markets you can be sucessful with direct flights. A Hub strategy means that you fly from your Hub to your destinations to pick up Passengers and then fly them to your Hub and distribute them through your network to the destinations they want to travel. Usually you can fly to 3 or 4 destinations a day with a short and medium Range Airplane. But if you Fly A-B-A-C-A-D-A 7 Days a week Your Passengers can travel with you every day. But if you take away flights for half a week Passengers will not travel with you since they can not go to their destinations because there are simply no connecting flights. That costs you by the end of the day a lot of passengers and you loose a lot of money. Why did you not let 1 aircraft fly route A-B-A-C-A on hub 1 and a 2nd Aircraft X-Y-X-Z-X on your 2nd hub?First you solve the Problem with your transfer flights which costs a lot of money in the real world by the way. Second you make your hub much more efficient and create a stonger Hub by offering daily connections. I can undersyand if you want to do that if you have to wait for a new aircraft or if you want to test a routing … fine… but as I can see from your post you do this on a regular base and this I can not understand.
Whats better than one smoothly operating Hub? Two (or more) smoothly operating hubs. Airlines in AS can reach a size where they completely envelope their own domestic market and to continue expanding move elsewhere. US carriers can use multiple hubs to great advantage. West coast hub (LAS) picks up Flights from Asia, South Central hub (HOU) flies to South and Central America and East coast hub (JFK) flies to Europe.
As transfer flights as set in the game are free moving an aircraft from one hub to another costs nothing but time. In most case if you no longer need an aircraft at Hub 1 (because for instance you’ve upgraded your 737-700 to a 737-900) you might be able to use it at Hub 2. It obviously makes alot more sense to transfer this aircraft then to cancel the lease, wait for the deposit to be returned and probably lease the same aircraft right back minus the cabin which is lost.
Also I suggested pre-book able transfer flights awhile ago
The point of doing this is that I want to move aircraft between hubs to get the best SLFs. Are you suggesting that to do this I should cancel the lease on the 1st aircraft and then lease another identical one to operate on the 2nd hub?
If your flights are full for the first half week on Hub1 and are full for the rest of the week on Hub 2 as well then it is better to use the first Aircraft the full week on hub1 and buy another one and use the new aircraft on hub2 also for a full week.
If the flights are not profitable then use a smaller aircraft or upgrade the seats and/or service on the existing one. If that did not work cancel the route… But if you change after half a week with 30 aircrafts the shedule from Hub 1 to Hub 2 you are not taking advantage of your 2 Hubs because 1 hub is resting with no connecting flights while the other one is active and vice versa …but as long as you make profit …its your airline …but it is a very very unusual playing I have to say . So no offence… but i think its better to optimise the profit instead of the SLF, and as long as you make profit everything is working for you.
you don’t get the problem… he doesn’t want to fly one schedule on odd weeks and another schedule on even weeks.
He has a plane that is scheduled to fly from hub 1. Now he needs a bigger plane for that schedule, but he can use the old plane in his second hub. So he wants to transfer the plane to it’s new hub without loosing time and money. That is why pre-booking a transfer flight would be practical.