Aircraft Range - Best options?

Hello everyone,

I am currently doing some planning for my airline to better help me decide on what type of aircraft I will lease. Currently my airline has one type of aircraft that covers the short haul, i need to figure out what the best medium haul and long haul aircraft are so i can plan my HUB accordingly.

Anything below 3300 range is already covered.

I need a medium haul aircraft capable of covering the 3301 to 8500-9000 range. For the long haul, 9000+ I might use the A380 or any other aircraft that can reach up to 13000 range. For the medium haul, It would be nice to not have an aircraft that carries more then 450 passengers. Anywhere from 200 to 350 passengers would be great.

I am doing my best to maintain only 3 maintenance categories so I was perhaps thinking of 1 aircraft per range. I am also considering creating a subsidiary down the road and transfer the aircraft serving the short haul routes so I can have the option to add more maintenance categories.

So what aircraft would be best suited for the:

-3300 to 8500

-8500+

Any suggestions?

Thank you,

Can't go wrong with Boeing 787-8. The most versatile aircraft at moment, in my opinion.

Medium route, long haul, ultra long haul, 787-8 is the way to go..

if you need slightly bigger, you can add -9 without adding maintenance type.

if you really need to dump more capacity on the market, you can add another 788 flight

unless you're flying out of slots constrained airport, better to fly two B788 than one A388.

If you find cheap used 777 (800,000 weekly leasing cost is a good price for a 777-300ER under 1 year old) or a 747-400 (if you find any grap them otherwise the 747-8. If you want smaller, get the 787 (best of them all) or A330 if you have a high luxury configuratrion the A330 works fine on routes around 10,000km and is perfect for shorthaul and medium haul. The A350-900 has a horrible range pretty simmilar to the A330-300

Perssonally I my configuration does not fit in a 747-8 so I use the A380 just as it is more economical in my case and if you have the 747-400 then no need to have an extra category.

Conclusion: 787

If you find cheap used 777 (800,000 weekly leasing cost is a good price for a 777-300ER under 1 year old) or a 747-400 (if you find any grap them otherwise the 747-8. If you want smaller, get the 787 (best of them all) or A330 if you have a high luxury configuratrion the A330 works fine on routes around 10,000km and is perfect for shorthaul and medium haul. The A350-900 has a horrible range pretty simmilar to the A330-300

Perssonally I my configuration does not fit in a 747-8 so I use the A380 just as it is more economical in my case and if you have the 747-400 then no need to have an extra category.

Conclusion: 787

I would agree with both opinions as the 788 is the way to go. And as Rpandugita has suggested if you need to add more capacity you could go with the another 788 flt or do the 789. 

If you find cheap used 777 (800,000 weekly leasing cost is a good price for a 777-300ER under 1 year old) or a 747-400 (if you find any grap them otherwise the 747-8. If you want smaller, get the 787 (best of them all) or A330 if you have a high luxury configuratrion the A330 works fine on routes around 10,000km and is perfect for shorthaul and medium haul. The A350-900 has a horrible range pretty simmilar to the A330-300

Perssonally I my configuration does not fit in a 747-8 so I use the A380 just as it is more economical in my case and if you have the 747-400 then no need to have an extra category.

Conclusion: 787

Would you recommend the 787-8 for routes between 3500 to 5000? Or is it better for 5000-10000?

I recomend it for everything but what is your aircraft for flights under 3500km flight?

I recomend it for everything but what is your aircraft for flights under 3500km flight?

I use the Bombardier CRJ 700LR.

I am in the small market of Morocco. So using large aircraft for short haul may not be an option. Plus I operate in a VERY old world. Complicating things a little bit further.

It depends on the capacity you can fill, also you are currently using only CRJs, you wont be able to fill large cargo holds of 787/767/330. You can try narrow bodies 737-900HGW, A319/A320 or if 757s are available in your GW. 

I use 320 series for this range and they produce very descent profit.

739 or 321 in premium configuration with premium pricing are gold mines.

739 or 321 in premium configuration with premium pricing are gold mines.

Just out of curiosity.. What's your "premium"? :blush: <_<

recliner shorthaul in Y and lie-flat 140/160 in C, 30% price increase.

recliner shorthaul in Y and lie-flat 140/160 in C, 30% price increase.

Sometimes even more luxurious then that.

@ rpandugita

Excuse me but I do not think Banff's question was directed at you, and I do not disclose my business models at public forums. If I have a need to discuss business models with other members I do it via private message.

You got a lot of insights from me so I would kindly ask you to respect the confidential nature of that information and not be disseminating it left and right in public forums.

It took me a lot of time to tune up my business models, as a former protege and alliance member you know them so don’t be Ungrateful by distributing That information further.

If I consider pertinent to provide it to others, it’s me who does it and not you, and I do it by private message. You learned a proprietary information that took me years to gather and I do not wish that you distribute this further. You know it so use it yourself but that’s it.

Thank you.

It depends on the capacity you can fill, also you are currently using only CRJs, you wont be able to fill large cargo holds of 787/767/330. You can try narrow bodies 737-900HGW, A319/A320 or if 757s are available in your GW. 

I use 320 series for this range and they produce very descent profit.

The good thing about the A318/319/320/321 line is they are all same maintenance category.

I am trying to think if an airplane that can go up to 7100km with max pax capacity of 145  is a good thing or not?

But they don't also fill my need since most aircraft in that large family only go 4500km and only 2 go 6900 and 7100.

I am looking at the A350 and I am telling my self it is way too expensive..and too much capacity that I can't fill.

Tough decisions :(

739 or 321 in premium configuration with premium pricing are gold mines.

Teach me how!

Teach me how!

I can give you hints so you can “find out yourself” but I am not giving out hard facts (any more). But if you are interested I can guide you so you can find out on your own what’s good for you. I will be back from vacation next week and if you are still interested contact me via private message in the middle of next week.

The good thing about the A318/319/320/321 line is they are all same maintenance category.

I am trying to think if an airplane that can go up to 7100km with max pax capacity of 145  is a good thing or not?

But they don't also fill my need since most aircraft in that large family only go 4500km and only 2 go 6900 and 7100.

I am looking at the A350 and I am telling my self it is way too expensive..and too much capacity that I can't fill.

Tough decisions :(

According to the given capacity and range 767 meets your requirements. It has very flexible capacities/range and are relatively cheaper than other wide-bodies available plus later if you want a bigger aircraft you can upgrade to 400ER version without adding a maintenance category.

According to the given capacity and range 767 meets your requirements. It has very flexible capacities/range and are relatively cheaper than other wide-bodies available plus later if you want a bigger aircraft you can upgrade to 400ER version without adding a maintenance category.

Abdul I thing in your case the 767 is also the best option for you especially the 200ER as whit only CRJs you wont fill much. If the 200ER gets full then go whit a 300ER and then a 400ER, but do not start to big.

Excuse me but I do not think Banff's question was directed at you, and I do not disclose my business models at public forums. If I have a need to discuss business models with other members I do it via private message.

You got a lot of insights from me so I would kindly ask you to respect the confidential nature of that information and not be disseminating it left and right in public forums.

It took me a lot of time to tune up my business models, as a former protege and alliance member you know them so don’t be Ungrateful by distributing That information further.

If I consider pertinent to provide it to others, it’s me who does it and not you, and I do it by private message. You learned a proprietary information that took me years to gather and I do not wish that you distribute this further. You know it so use it yourself but that’s it.

Thank you.

really? I can't even remember.. I was having a wild guess lol..

if you think it's work well anywhere, try doing it at riem, mr professor.. 

newbies, take notes the gold nugget is here!

really? I can't even remember.. I was having a wild guess lol..

if you think it’s work well anywhere, try doing it at riem, mr professor…

newbies, take notes the gold nugget is here!

Please Revan, it is his information which actually took him a year to gather. It took me years to gather my information for my business model too, which is pretty similar to Rubio’s whit out knowing his at the time.

To respect players who have been nice to give you there business model please do not pass it on.