ATR-72 vs CRJ-700

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I am conflicted between the ATR-72 and CRJ-700. Looked for something on the forums but couldn't find anything.

ATR: Can get 10 to start with and they are showing more profits on domestic routes than CRJs. They are also cheaper to lease.
 
CRJs: Rating is higher (5 bars) compared to ATRs' (2 bars) and are faster too; can pack in more flights per week.
 
I would go with ATRs but my main concern is that on same route if there is my ATR and a competitors CRJ700, then given everything else is the same, wont pax prefer to go with CRJs?
 
 
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Its hard to compare the two as one is a Regional turbo prop and one is a Regional Jet.

The ATR is slower, has less range and as you said less popularity which will be noticeable on routes with high competition, it can land on shorter runways than the CR7 and has freighter option available.

The CRJ 700 is faster, has more options 700, ER and LR, more range, burns  more fuel than the AT7. The CRJ family has more options including the 100, 200, 700, 900 and 100. The ATR family has only the 72 and 42. 

I operate the ATR family on short <800km routes to regional airports and have been making >40% profit margins. 

I have also opertaed the CRJ's in the past and they make good profits.

Normally it is an Q400 vs ATR-72 argument.

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:wub: CRJ :wub:

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There is no real competition between the two.

I operate both, with the ATR 72 being deployed on shorter routes and the CRJs on medium haul routes the ATRs can't reach. Both are highly profitable for me.

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I'd use ATR for 400-500 km for less.. anything higher you can better fly a CRJ because they are double fast.

So 400 km on an ATR is 1 hour flight

900 km on a CRJ is 1 hour flight.

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I've changed all ATR's 72 on CRJ's 700 - No matter was it over 500km flight or  less -  to much issues to clarify, but in general i'm much more than happy :D

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ATR's any day, I get a 30% profit margin with my 72's/42's, but only a 10%-15% with a CRJ, on some CRJ flights that are fully booked, I'm actually loosing money! I recommend the Embraer 195 for longer flights over the CRJ

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I'd use ATR for 400-500 km for less.. anything higher you can better fly a CRJ because they are double fast.

So 400 km on an ATR is 1 hour flight

900 km on a CRJ is 1 hour flight.

if you have route 900 km then use A320-200, and blow in water all CRJ-s :P

in my opinion ATR and Q400 are ideal for 500 - 600 km route

after that use A320 and B737

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I use EMB195 on almost all routes (this week I also got some A321s - I found out that they don't fit so well in an EMB195 fleet, because "everything"(Leasingcosts, Profits, Size etc.) is almost twice compared to the EMB, so you can use 2 EMBs instead for almost the same profit, but you gain a lot of flexibility...) and they give you very good margins, but if you have a smaller market I would go for CRJ700.

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I would have loved to lease both the ATRs and the CRJs but keeping in mind the 3 maintenance categories I cannot do that as eventually I am looking at

Short haul type

737 family

787 or 767

That's why the dilemma about which one to choose from the two. I also see the higher margins on ATR for short haul but I am getting an overwhelming partiality towards the CRJs from players. I wish they allowed 4 categories. 

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I wish they allowed 4 categories. 

It is allowed :-)

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I meant without extra charges.

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Many aircraft share a category, so I like to split it up further (Short/Medium/Long)) and then chose a family of aircraft for each

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if you have route 900 km then use A320-200, and blow in water all CRJ-s :P

in my opinion ATR and Q400 are ideal for 500 - 600 km route

after that use A320 and B737

Well the deposit for a a320 is the same as.. 3 or 4 crjs? The speed is about the same, meaning I can fly to 4x more destinations, but with less pax. Thats an interesting tradeoff.

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Well the deposit for a a320 is the same as.. 3 or 4 crjs? The speed is about the same, meaning I can fly to 4x more destinations, but with less pax. Thats an interesting tradeoff.

well interesting become when a32x become competitor on same route against you

and clear you all passengers

I would have loved to lease both the ATRs and the CRJs but keeping in mind the 3 maintenance categories I cannot do that as eventually I am looking at

Short haul type

737 family

787 or 767

That's why the dilemma about which one to choose from the two. I also see the higher margins on ATR for short haul but I am getting an overwhelming partiality towards the CRJs from players. I wish they allowed 4 categories. 

my thinking

short route - Q400 or ATR - up to 500 km

mid - short - A32x(B737) family - up to 2500 km

mid-long - 787 ? -

767 family is bad choice IMHO

because they MID distance, so if you think about 767, forget on short route and small aircraft, or forget on long distance (because you will have 4 fleet, not beneficial 3)

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Please also consider the current machine age. As no flying material is more than 2 month old, the additional 15% in maintenance would not hurt too much, in my opinion. Currently, maintenance makes 10% of my cost, having 15% increased maintenance for a fourth class would mean 11.5% . If this 1.5% drive you bankcrupt, then eventually something else is wrong.

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I also don´t understand this endless discussion about an additional maintenance category.

There are so many reasons why an additional maintenance category can make sense:

Let´s imagine a 25-aircraft airline (CRJ/737/ATR Mix),  maintenance cost are 700k/week.

An additional maintenance category costs 15% (105k) a week "on top".

1) If you lease a B787 and this aircraft makes 14 long haul flights per week, then 100 connecting passengers on

every flight would give you  1400 additional passengers a week....so usually already a profit in relation to

your increased maintenance when we assume a ticket price of 100.- for a short haul connection

2) During later stages of the game, when the "used" aircraft market is a bit better filled with aircraft, you can possibly

make substantial savings by introducing a new fleet. I once took ten used A320s into the fleet of one subsidiary because

these aircraft were much cheaper to lease than their Boeing counterpart....so in total I made a huge saving even though

my maintenance cost rose.

3) It is only a GAME and it would be boring, NOT to explore other types and trying to find their strength and weaknesses .... 

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Thanks for the advice everyone. Am experimenting with the turbo props. The last comment above puts everything in context though, about this being a game. I am seriously considering trying out different strategies, not just with the birds, but also routing etc on this server, even if that means not becoming the biggest company. Should be fun! :)