Here in AS we are limited to only be able to fly out of the EU with passengers from your home country
In reality, companies are flying out of the EU from other countries
Eg Norwigian operating direct flights from Stockholm Arlanda (ARN) to Bangkok (BKK)
Should it not been like that here in AS as well?
These traffic rights are subject to contracts between the countries in geneal. There is IIRC only one agreement open for all EU Treaty Countries - with the USA. But with the current system we can not realise this in AS due to the point that an US airline would have full rights in Europe too.
It is then surprising that Norwegian which is a Norwegian company offers direct flights from ARN which is in Swe to BKK.
They fly with Norwegian license and registration
Yep - and this is a multi-naional agreement - SAS also operate[d|s] longhaul from Denmark and Sweden and sometimes Norway.
These traffic rights are subject to contracts between the countries in geneal. There is IIRC only one agreement open for all EU Treaty Countries - with the USA. But with the current system we can not realise this in AS due to the point that an US airline would have full rights in Europe too.
As far as I understand an Open Skies between EU and US allows any US and EU airline to serve any point between the two countries with any number of frequencies. In current AS any US airline can fly from any US city to any EU city, So the open skies agreement should be implemented for any EU airline to serve any point from EU to USA. Therefore I do not understand your statement "an US airline would have full rights in Europe too" ... well they already do in AS, they can fly from Kansas City to Lyon if they wish. And if you are talking about cabotage (e.g. flying LAX to SFO or BCN to FRA) those flights are not allowed for other signatory's aircrafts under the EU-US Open Skies treaty so that should not be a problem for AS...
I meant within EU - i.e. FRA-LHR
SAS and Norwegian for sure have some special agreements, but I could not see a way to integrate this into AS.
As an EU-treaty airline flying from any EU City to foreign countries would be cool, but big airlines in Europe would benefit a lot. Besides this EU-Treaty airlines would become too strong in relation to other airlines.
Even if airlines need to buy rights outside their home country (within EU-treaty) would be only good for big airlines.
The problem as I see it is that if you open to much where an airline can operate from, you will have the same few giant airlines dominating the world. It would ruin the game.
Some already do,
The problem as I see it is that if you open to much where an airline can operate from, you will have the same few giant airlines dominating the world. It would ruin the game.
Some already do, take Liffey Wings Taxi on Devau, their home country is ireland, yet they operate flights that they don't have rights to (e.g. Russia to Slovenia) however they can get traffic from interlining, which does ruin the game-wanting to start an airline in Iceland and then seeing that an airline in Ireland operates 4 daily crj flights to a remote 2 bar airport that they don't even have traffic rights in :blush:
Some already do,
Some already do, take Liffey Wings Taxi on Devau, their home country is ireland, yet they operate flights that they don't have rights to (e.g. Russia to Slovenia) however they can get traffic from interlining, which does ruin the game-wanting to start an airline in Iceland and then seeing that an airline in Ireland operates 4 daily crj flights to a remote 2 bar airport that they don't even have traffic rights in :blush:
@SK Is this really possible?
No - the airline only has traffic rights from it's home country (Ireland) to Russia/Slovenia. Doesn't matter if there is an interlining or not.
The traffic rights for this airline haven't changed, but it's so massive that it can rely on interlining partner and its own connection traffic to fill planes
Discussed before: http://community.airlinesim.aero/topic/4845-traffic-rights-for-norwegian-air-shuttle/
Just to clarify having looked at Liffey wings…
From Moscow they operate cork and Dublin
From Slovenia they operate non-Irish routes
They DO NOT operate Moscow to Slovenia as previously stated by a previous poster
Been an Irish company they hold the rights to run from Ireland to a non-EU countries (ie. Dublin and Cork-Moscow). Been an EU company they have the rights to operate within the EU ie. Slovenia to Warsaw.
So I’m not sure what the problem is
I wasn't implying that I did, the countries were given as a vague example.
I didn't actually know that you had traffic rights within the EU to do that, I thought it was only your legal home country.
The EU treaty allows for any EU airline to operate any route from AND to any EU airport
“Some already do, take Liffey Wings Taxi on Devau, their home country is ireland, yet they operate flights that they don’t have rights to (e.g. Russia to Slovenia)”