Ok … I’ll drop the bold writting, and I know I’m not speaking for all customer it’s just good business thinking…but still you’ve got to be open minded on this issue and actually keep in mind that this is still a game and a real good one that you shouldn’t destroy with excessive rulings… It’s not everybody that will take the time to write their concern in the forum, and I think I’m speaking for a lot of frustrated players, maybe not everybody but still a lot of them. Now I’ve been playing this game for more then a year now and I also know that this game is been in operation for over 10 years and that there are people working on it to perfect it over that period of time. So this is actually my point of view, you guys can also makes some mistakes, and that if you keep on inforcing this kind of venue you are making a mistake.
Personnally I don’t think that you can keep people playing this game for 10 years, there might be a handful that might do it but this doesn’t consist a real core of players. What I’m trying to point out is that if you want to have more retention on your players you have to lower a bit the level of frustration that comes with this kind of simulation game… Of course if you want to render this game as close to reality has possible it might take years before building some kind of real aircraft company, I do also understand that theres no existing company with fleets of thousands of aircrafts. But this being a game this are some situations you will see happening, and it has to happen otherwise players will see their interest ratio die out pretty fast. This is the essence of gaming letting your imagination grow out reality… So in fact if you really want to strap down AS to pure reality there aren’t much people who will last more then a few months… You have to find a middle equilibrium between fiction and reality and slowing down growth possibility to near zero or as close as possible to reality isn’t the way to do it… Now here I’m not saying openning the doors to all kind of ways to go around the system. Because like you admit yourself there’s no way to shut down all the loop holes, not in the actual state of the technology anyway… I always admited that what AS admin did, they had to do… I just think that they went a bit to far with it, and frustration is building in quite a few worlds… Especially the newer ones, because frankly it doesn’t have the same impact, on older ones, since the game momemtum is already established…
So this being said I’ll leave you guys alone and I won’t write anymore on this subject, since theres no real responses comming out here… You have the keys to the car, your in the driver seat and you can do whatever you please with this game. Its just like politics whoever is in the driver seats controls everything and makes all the laws… So the choice is yours, you can make it become a democratie or just turn it into a dictatorship… Your choice fellows…
P.S. Can you just answer this question at least is there somebody studying this issue or your just standing your position and won’t move a finger?
After 10 Years of complaining from Players to stop the cheating … and the discussions are there with every server that started… AS HAS done something that is as far as I can see and tell finally working. Even if not everybody will be happy by this solution I think most of us appreciate that for the first time in 10 Years the cheating has been visible reduced. Now it will take a little longer to grow, to be able to get a loan and to invest into IPO’s … but the game has become more balanced and more fair … so I believe it turned better instead of worse…
[size=“7”]Listen, [/size]can we end the ‘blabber’ and work together to find some solutions that appeals to everyone. First this is a SIM so it does not have to be 100% real maybe 85% real.
I think the 2 months till able to subscribe is good. To satisfy every one about the amt of equity required, we can judge equity based on total equity ( Susidiary Equity + Holding Equity = Total Equity ) which will allow both holding and subsidiaries to be able to invest, ( the ‘investment’ section on the balance sheet will not be counted in the total equity ). Notice I am writing solutions designed to work on Meigs Alone, other solutions may be needed for the multiple holding capabilities of other servers. You can employ a member to act as a Stock Market ‘checker’ to monitor the stock market and check to IP addresses of the airlines’ owners to make sure the same IP address is NOT allowed to trade on the stock market. You can try to expand on these ideas.
I hope this can end to cyber conflict between Members and Team. Just remember every dark cloud has a silver line-ing. This is just a bump in the road which is easily solvable.
I think it is very simple - as long as the subsidary companies’ equity is calculated. I am sure no one would mind about the minimum equity requirement.
last year I created a holding, purely to play on stock market and learn all the in’s and out’s of it. During 5 months I closely followed the stock market and I saw many shady IPO’s. If I had to put a figure on it, I would guess 1 in 4 IPO’s had one or more investors that deleted after a week.
I have seen airlines going public and doubling their equity. How fair is it that investors pay 300 dollar for a share that is worth 110 dollar the next day, and throw away (delete) their investment a few days later ? How fair is it that the holding who owns the airline then sells 49% of it’s shares, so it can start a second subsidiary, take that second subsidiary also to the stock market… and repeat the same scenario ? You did not even have to create a new holding (and pay a few credits). Some people created a subsidiary, heavily supported an IPO and then deleted that subsidiary… AS buys the shares and the money goes back to the mother company.
And SK is not playing games when he says that it was not possible to tell who was cheating and who was not. I could create a holding or subsidiary, invest on the stock market, and then change my mind. Who can prove that it was my intention to artificially inflate an IPO ? My answer would be that I decided that investing is less fun than managing an airline.
Slow growth ? I am not convinced. On an existing server there are enough airlines that can invest in an IPO. And on a new server there are more passengers than planes, so profits are huge during the first weeks. The only difference is that airlines can invest in an IPO after 4 weeks instead of 2 weeks. That is the price we pay to stop the cheating. Besides, on Stapleton only 3 out of the top ten airlines are listed on the stock market. The other 7 managed to grow fast without IPO.
However, I totally agree with Tandem. It is silly that a holding that owns a 750 million subsidiary cannot invest in an IPO.
I also agree with people who complain about the lack of information. My bank tells me that my mortgage should not be more than 30% of my salary. They don’t say “keep asking for a loan and you will see when we say yes”. AS knows how to make an excellent game. But sometimes they communicate like the Big Bang Theory guys (at Sheldon Cooper: this is sarcasm)
I am not kidding. When I started Cedrus on Tempelhof I put 9 million into the airline and kept 1 million in the holding company, The 1 million has grown to 16 million thanks primarily to an adept choice of IPO subscriptions, and this is now blocked.
When I started Tequila on Meigs 6 weeks ago I adopted the same strategy. Thanks to the rule change 3 weeks later I now have 1 million sitting in the holding that I can’t use for anything, and no prospect of ever being able to access it again. What exactly does AirlineSim management expect me to do with the holding, buy a Cessna and make $20 million flying Cessnas around? Now you really are kidding.
is it possible to buy shares of an airline that is already on the stock market, if your airline/holding does not have enough equity to support an IPO ? After all, the cheating happened by inflating IPO’s, not by buying shares of an airline that was already on the stock market.
Apart from the above, if a holding owns a subsidiary, the value of that subsidiary airline should be counted as equity.
Not to offend anybody but i think this is firstly an airline simulation and not a stock market simulation. I would be happy if the team would focus on improving the airline simulation part of the game and not using up valuable time for the stock market option which is just a vehicle for large scale cheating.
I managed to grow my airlines without any IPO’s (on both servers my airlines are holdings) and i feel offended by those who cheat their way up with IPO’s.
A smart player would put his money in airplanes and would earn more money then by buying shares. If you look realistically the stock market is way to small and slow (few companies, few daily trades) to be able to earn lots of money. And this was true even before the rule changes. So i see no need for the stock market option at all in this game.
I think the stock market in this game now is fairly strange! In Meigs game world, some airlines grew dramatically fast; they can have at least 30 plus fleets size in 4-5 weeks and they don’t even have own plane. Moreover, those airlines’ go for IPO and most of major investors are from the same alien. Strangely those investors buy the share at high price and sell at really unreasonable low price immediately after IPO. It makes the game environment really unfair. Any explanation from GM to this unusual activities?
