I've been a member of AS for quite some years now. For some personal reasons I was not playing this game for quite some time. However, I've been trying for quite a few months on ELLINIKON to establish my company in Greece but everything I have tried has completely failed!!!!
I have started with small cheap aircraft covering ALL airports in Greece using very good arrival and departure waves in Athens. Nothing.....
I have started with Dash8's covering major airports only with cheap flights (poor service for low cost). Nothing....
I have started with Dash8's covering major airports only with excellent services. Nothing....
I have started (current situation) with 3 new 737's covering Heraklio, Thessaloniki and Larnaca and one Dash8-400 covering 3 other major airports like Santorini, Mykonos etc... Nothing again. I have perfect wave system and in the ATH-LCA incredible service, excellent seats. I have increased my staff's wages by 40% to keep them happy. My prices are low. I'm actually losing money even if I was 100% full! And in the ORS I'm not even on the 1st page. I get something like 8% passengers.
I'm either doing something really wrong, or it is just impossible to compete in Greece in ELLINIKON. I like this sim a lot, but it is becoming impossible for me to compete.
If you are not on the first page in ORS, your cabin configuration might not be luxury enough. How does your service profile look like? Is there a big competitor already established in Greece? If so why do you not search for a better location with small or no competition?
I’ve been a member of AS for quite some years now. For some personal reasons I was not playing this game for quite some time. However, I’ve been trying for quite a few months on ELLINIKON to establish my company in Greece but everything I have tried has completely failed!!!
I have started with small cheap aircraft covering ALL airports in Greece using very good arrival and departure waves in Athens. Nothing.....
I have started with Dash8's covering major airports only with cheap flights (poor service for low cost). Nothing....
I have started with Dash8's covering major airports only with excellent services. Nothing....
I have started (current situation) with 3 new 737's covering Heraklio, Thessaloniki and Larnaca and one Dash8-400 covering 3 other major airports like Santorini, Mykonos etc... Nothing again. I have perfect wave system and in the ATH-LCA incredible service, excellent seats. I have increased my staff's wages by 40% to keep them happy. My prices are low. I'm actually losing money even if I was 100% full! And in the ORS I'm not even on the 1st page. I get something like 8% passengers.
I'm either doing something really wrong, or it is just impossible to compete in Greece in ELLINIKON. I like this sim a lot, but it is becoming impossible for me to compete.
Please advise.
Regards,
Costas
The market in Greece is overly saturated. Check the number of frequencies offered at the routes you serve. You simply wont get enough market shares. Add to that, most of your destinations are linked nonstop.
If you’ve tried everything and can’t fill your planes, then there may simply be too much competition. Best to either pick another location or, if you want to play in Greece, pick another server where the Greek market is emptier.
I would try Aspern - 64% slots, largest airline has only 546 departures and just 14 small props, short haul pricing is "old style", much better chance to suceed.
I would try Aspern - 64% slots, largest airline has only 546 departures and just 14 small props, short haul pricing is "old style", much better chance to suceed.
Many years ago I used to build my airlines in Greece, too, and can only say it’s a difficult market. Maybe not Greece itself, but the fact that you’re within EU treaty.
So you’re struggling with relatively short domestic routes, hardly any usefull hub due to the geo. situation and relatively low o/d demand. Should you still succeed you’re always in danger to be overrun by one of the big ones from elsewhere in the treaty.
If you are not on the first page in ORS, your cabin configuration might not be luxury enough. How does your service profile look like? Is there a big competitor already established in Greece? If so why do you not search for a better location with small or no competition?
The airline is Gate7 Airways. My cabin config especially for the a/c flying the ATH-LCA route is 5 bars both for Economy and Business. My service profile the same, let me just say that for business I'm paying 68AS! There are big competitors. But what I dont understand is why I dont even show in the 1st page in ORS. That does not make sense.
I understand that due to competition I may not be able to get PAX but why is it that I am not high enough in ORS???
High enough is relative. How much exactly is your ORS score? Even with a max score it’s still possible to be on the 2nd or 3rd page if everyone else is maxed as well.
Many years ago I used to build my airlines in Greece, too, and can only say it's a difficult market. Maybe not Greece itself, but the fact that you're within EU treaty.
So you’re struggling with relatively short domestic routes, hardly any usefull hub due to the geo. situation and relatively low o/d demand. Should you still succeed you’re always in danger to be overrun by one of the big ones from elsewhere in the treaty.
I can agree that the Greek market is quite hard to start in (from own experience), but if you have a strategy of success and you have max ORS rating on your flights then it is not that hard.
I can agree that the Greek market is quite hard to start in (from own experience), but if you have a strategy of success and you have max ORS rating on your flights then it is not that hard.
At some point, an ORS rating is getting more and more irrelevant if a competitor knows about some "flaws" in this game. The TO obviousely experiences exactly the situation where you cannot win anything even though the ratings are top.
It is of course no problem to build a successfull airline in Greece. I was just trying to point out that the EU Treaty is the problem.
You can run a perfectly built airline in Greece, and there’s still someone who’d crush your airline within weeks if he’d want.
At some point, an ORS rating is getting more and more irrelevant if a competitor knows about some "flaws" in this game. The TO obviousely experiences exactly the situation where you cannot win anything even though the ratings are top.
It is of course no problem to build a successfull airline in Greece. I was just trying to point out that the EU Treaty is the problem.
You can run a perfectly built airline in Greece, and there’s still someone who’d crush your airline within weeks if he’d want.
Unless you managed to block all slots.
What do you mean that the problem is EU Treaty? I hear other people saying that, but I'm not sure what it means and why it is a problem.
What do you mean that the problem is EU Treaty? I hear other people saying that, but I'm not sure what it means and why it is a problem.
It is hard to survive there if you only intend to run a small airline. So if you want to build an airline with mostly domestic service and some international connection via ATH, you’re always in danger. Some big player with an EU wide network might be bored and could easily penetrate the Greek market and you couldn’t do much against.
If you intend to run an airline there, you need to grow a big network and have at least one or two major airports under your control (slots “blocked”)
Doing so from Greece isn’t the best idea for reasons mentioned.