Lease cancellation by Lessor

Nah, no problem.

Once you realize that cheap MD-80 is stuck in your fleet for the next 6-12 months, just complain about the 4th+ maint category penalties.

people might become more careful with leasing contracts. nothing bad

It should absolutely be two way no matter what you decide. Why should you be able to return the aircraft to me with 0 minutes notice, and therefore me incur an extra fleet charge. Yet if I want the aircraft back...I have to wait 6 months.

That seems 100% fair. It seems your only interested on what suits you rather than thinking objectively about something from all angles

? Why should it be treated differently for clients and leasing companies?

It should absolutely be two way no matter what you decide. Why should you be able to return the aircraft to me with 0 minutes notice, and therefore me incur an extra fleet charge. Yet if I want the aircraft back...I have to wait 6 months.

That seems 100% fair. It seems your only interested on what suits you rather than thinking objectively about something from all angles

Indeed…

? Why should it be treated differently for clients and leasing companies?

Because the kraken are acting as the bad leasing companies, at least according to ****, so you know, the kraken need to be punished and restricted so the same kraken cannot just stop leasing contracts on the whim with poor unfortunate lesees.

It should absolutely be two way no matter what you decide. Why should you be able to return the aircraft to me with 0 minutes notice, and therefore me incur an extra fleet charge. Yet if I want the aircraft back...I have to wait 6 months.

That seems 100% fair. It seems your only interested on what suits you rather than thinking objectively about something from all angles

besides the fact that your tone is not appropriate, your argument is not correct as well.

typically the lessor would be a large, rich and powerful airline, the leaser a new or small airline, of course other constellations exist but are not the standard pattern.

the lessor is in this case in a much stronger position than the leaser. it does not harm him significantly when the aircraft is returned wheras the leaser would be harmed significantly if the contract can be terminated at short notice.

therefore the rules can be assymetric but anything is good as long as the minimum termination period is 6 month or longer.

and regarding the meanwhile standard allegation - just used in attempts to shut down others (e.g. me) - that i argue only in my personal interest: my airlines dont have the need to lease from private lessors, they are wealthy enough. i do it only if i can trust the lessor and the offer is good but the preference are leases from as.

For all new airlines here, i would strongly advise to be carefull when leasing cheap airplanes form one player. As viennabert said right, you should only do so if you can trust them. 

building your airline on cheap planes leased by one player or alliance can make you very dependent on them, as they can decide to cancle the leasing-contract whenever they want. 

 

(I do not want to accuse any players of doing so. This is just an advise for new players.)

For all new airlines here, i would strongly advise to be carefull when leasing cheap airplanes form one player. As viennabert said right, you should only do so if you can trust them. 

 

building your airline on cheap planes leased by one player or alliance can make you very dependent on them, as they can decide to cancle the leasing-contract whenever they want. 

 

 

(I do not want to accuse any players of doing so. This is just an advise for new players.)

If you don’t want to accuse any player why than raising the warning?

For all new airlines here, i would strongly advise to be carefull when leasing cheap airplanes form one player. As viennabert said right, you should only do so if you can trust them.

building your airline on cheap planes leased by one player or alliance can make you very dependent on them, as they can decide to cancle the leasing-contract whenever they want.

(I do not want to accuse any players of doing so. This is just an advise for new players.)

Why are you double and triple posting the same thing in multiple threads?

Why are you double and triple posting the same thing in multiple threads?

maybe its because its relevant here as well. 

​And the main post war in the pearls threads. 

that's why there is One Thread for it and I wrote One post here.