I have played in the new world, Aspern for a few days now and I have noticed some 'errors' or blunders that should be addressed to make the experience more enjoyable. I am hoping that members of staff may have noticed the same and have some plans to address these issues. I will go ahead and list the issues or blunders that I have come across and noticed. Perhaps this list may not be comprehensive however these are the ones that I have personally noticed in the course of playing the game. The list is as follows;
1) The new Seat configuration tool is awesome and just increases the robustness of this game and at the same time solves the problems of planning for a new plane type by providing a sample configuration tool. There is however a big problem that I have noticed - the new seat configuration tool allows 5 abreast seating for business class in narrow body aircraft, most notably the B737 family and the A320 family. This is not reality based! You cannot have seats that are configured 5 abreast in a fuselage that is only 3.76m wide and still convince anyone that those are Business class seats. I have looked everywhere on the worldwide web and I am yet to see a single example of 5 abreast business seating arrangement in a narrow body aircraft! This sole error will exponentially increase the advantage of the aircraft types by allowing a higher than is normal capacity with business class. For instance, I very easily configured a B737-900ER for a total passenger capacity of 182 seats (20 Business ‘Long haul Recliners’ & 162 ‘Leisure’ seats) - in reality, this should have been closer to 174 - 178 seats but the current arrangement allows 4 extra business seats because of the 5 abreast blunder in business class!
2) There is no Tupolev Tu-204/204SM! The new Tu-204SM recently completed all Certification processes and there are actually firm orders from a few companies, most notably Red Wings, VIM and IFC, however this has not been represented in Aspern. It was simply just left out of the party for no reason. I hope this was an oversight.
3) Using the Aircraft Type Evaluation tool, i discovered that passenger capacities for many ‘popular’ models was understated! The entire B737 family suffers from this and so do the following make and models;
- Boeing 737 family
- Airbus A320/319 family
- Embraer E-jet family
- Dash8 Q400 series
Each member of these families/series had the passenger capacity figures understated in the Evaluation tool. For instance, the Q400 would constantly report AVAILABLE SEATS as (72) instead of (78) thus helping to blunt the comparative profitability. In the Boeing 737-900HGW the available seats would be (204) instead of (215) for no reason. This would happen even if the distances were well under the weight limit range (even for short hops). The same thing happens with the other makes and models listed above. I hope this blunder is soon corrected.
4) The AVIC Xian Y-7 should not be here at all. It’s production was stopped almost a decade ago and it was replaced with an upgraded and improved variant called Xian MA-60. The MA-60 has been in production since 2006 with almost 80 examples delivered! It will be nice to have that update and information reflected.
These are the only blunders I have personally noticed so far. All in all, I do believe it was an excellently executed improvement which only suffers from few teething problems. I want to show appreciation to the A/S team and congratulate them on the successful launch of the new game world.
at 2) This has been reported by several users and it is currently under "investigation" ;) Take a look at the data changes for aspern and you will see that it is just a mistake - shit happens :)
The Evaluation tool has just been forgotten while working at the new seat configuration tool and will now be renewed to make it work properly, even better again.
at 4) Please report wrong data to support@airlinesim.aero. Don't forget to include all necessary information and sources.
2) There is no Tupolev Tu-204/204SM! The new Tu-204SM recently completed all Certification processes and there are actually firm orders from a few companies, most notably Red Wings, VIM and IFC, however this has not been represented in Aspern. It was simply just left out of the party for no reason. I hope this was an oversight.
It should be available when the plane is in commercial service and when there is "reliable" data for the Ty-204SM.
well already answered - by the way - where is written that business should have 5 abreast ;)
@ 2.)
The 204 is not produced at the moment - the 204SM is in its certification process and passed a lot of the tests - but like the rest - there is no factory at the moment porducing the Tu-204/214 - the same with IL-114/96 (for the 114 is a new factory in discussions which at the moment is short of bancrupty but shall be rescued and starting the production again). As long as there isn't any source proofing that the aircraft are produced again, we can not offer it as in production at the moment.
@ 3.)
already answered before ;9
@ 4.)
We know that but we couldn't find detailed information respectively couldn't verify the sources we have received until the deadline of the data patch. So if you have any information, please send in to support@airlinesim.aero. I'm sure we will have the MA-60 with the next data patch.
The 204 is not produced at the moment - the 204SM is in its certification process and passed a lot of the tests - but like the rest - there is no factory at the moment porducing the Tu-204/214 - the same with IL-114/96 (for the 114 is a new factory in discussions which at the moment is short of bancrupty but shall be rescued and starting the production again). As long as there isn't any source proofing that the aircraft are produced again, we can not offer it as in production at the moment.
Interesting, I agree that no Tu204 is in production within these days. Indeed there is a prototype for Tu204SM. It is certified in Russia and plant is also certified (source: http://ulgov.com/news/583/). Considering it MIGHT be in production in the near future, so, would the plane be available when
1. The production commenced OR
2. The first plane delivered?
Since Russians tend to build their plane slowly, we might need to wait for years before that day to come if it's the case of 2. :P
I’m guessing the answer will be after first aircraft delivered AND there is reliable data on the aircraft performance. Nb. What Boeing and Airbus etc. say is the performance figures are never spot on until the aircraft is flown…for the better and for the worst…
Keep in mind that although the passenger capacity for some aircraft can be wrong, adding/removing seats will cause a bias with some aircraft, which will have to be balanced by increasing/decreasing range/fuel consumption etc. to make the game fair, but then players would complain about these figures not being right-almost a neverending circle, I feel sorry for the AS staff!
I challenge anyone here to show me a single Airline that has 5 abreast business class configuration in a narrow body airliner! Just one single example and I will shut up. If you can't show me, then we are just wasting time because what is being simulated then becomes nothing but fantasy. Period.
As far as the Tu-204 - Enough people have shown links proving it is still in production. I am tired of having to constantly prove obvious stuffs about Tu-204!! If you say that you made an honest mistake then I can understand, but to keep using excuses like; ‘it is not in production’, is to keep denying an obvious truth.
If the Tu-204/214 is not in production, then what is this:
Well judging from the official website and other relevant sources. It also seems to me that the plane is still in production. Can somebody confirm what plant is building it?
I challenge anyone here to show me a single Airline that has 5 abreast business class configuration in a narrow body airliner! Just one single example and I will shut up. If you can't show me, then we are just wasting time because what is being simulated then becomes nothing but fantasy. Period.
In this simulator, when it shows 5 abreast, it's showing economy seats. No one will buy those, you have to upgrade the seats yourself. I run 3 across in my A321 business class. In real life, any airline is free to have 5 abreast economy seats and sell it as business class. But they wouldn't make any money because no one would buy it. Same with this game.
In this simulator, when it shows 5 abreast, it's showing economy seats. No one will buy those, you have to upgrade the seats yourself. I run 3 across in my A321 business class. In real life, any airline is free to have 5 abreast economy seats and sell it as business class. But they wouldn't make any money because no one would buy it. Same with this game.
JAL is obviously making money. So am I in the Aspern World :P, ...and so I obviously do not know what you are talking about :lol:
I don't know if JAL is making money :P They were literally bankrupt last time I flew them, though I'm pretty sure they're alright now, so yes it can work in some situations. I would never pay my money for it though.
But yea, this will work in the game until you have significant competition on the route, from my understanding. Then people will go with the better option.
You have to be somehow a bit more creative ... 5 abreast does not mean that you simply leaf a seat away - the seats are wider - if you calculate the changable seats like LH had them with a variable width and make instead of 4 abreast with smaler free middle seats you could easily build up the width and make 5 abreast. They don't do it, as they want to be flexible. But that's another story to be told another time ;)
Concerning the Tu2014 - please send your source to support@airlinesim.aero and we consider if there is a status change or not.