Sabena come on man if you could get cheap leases you wouldn’t get it? Don’t be untrue on this one…
What About your cheap leases in Aspern? Don’t you have something to say about that? It’s easy to point the others…
sorry, but you’re destroying an entire AS-World with your ‘‘leasing to who you want’’
The story with Boeing and Gol has nothing to do with this problem and Boeing gave Gol surely conditions to maintain
yeah...
well, of course I have some planes, which I got cheaper than the others on the market... but I have only around 10 of them ...
I think there is still a big difference and this does not mean that I am for such cheap leasing rates...
Realize it, you're wrong.
People like you spoil the fun of others
And how do you now, that my Airline is centered in Aspern?
Sabena come on man if you could get cheap leases you wouldn’t get it? Don’t be untrue on this one...
Hallo Miteinander ,
wenn ich eine Möglichkeit sehe dieses zu10% Verleasen einzudämmen um auch anderen und neuen ASPlayern eine Chance zugeben dann nur unter dem Punkt das AS eine Mechanismus einbauen sollte ,wo es nur erlaubt ist 5 Maschinen zu 10% zuverleasen an einen anderen Spieler.
Dieses Spielens ,das die gesamte Flotte auf 10% Leasingvertäge basiert, ist für mich nur Creditsverbrennens um neue Spieler (damit meine ich Neuanmeldungen ) zuvergraulen von AS.
One of the first step in a god defense is to know your accuser and than build your defense, there’s no such thing as little wrong or big wrong… if you think cheap leases is wrong you shouldn’t do any… and probably the motive you have less frames is because your business partners can’t provide you more than they do… so you don’t have Moral rights to judge or complain about my leases…
yeah...
well, of course I have some planes, which I got cheaper than the others on the market… but I have only around 10 of them …
I think there is still a big difference and this does not mean that I am for such cheap leasing rates…
Realize it, you’re wrong.
People like you spoil the fun of others
And how do you now, that my Airline is centered in Aspern?
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As long as it is legal, why shouldn’t I have some?
My leases do not hinder the others as your leasing do. You use leasing in order to integrate a dirty game play into your game world. This has consequences for the others.
of course I can criticize your leases, you subsidize others!
PS: Please write in german if you can, this is a german thread
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This was my 500 post 
One of the first step in a god defense is to know your accuser and than build your defense, there’s no such thing as little wrong or big wrong.... if you think cheap leases is wrong you shouldn’t do any.... and probably the motive you have less frames is because your business partners can’t provide you more than they do.... so you don’t have Moral rights to judge or complain about my leases...
Hallo Miteinander ,
wenn ich eine Möglichkeit sehe dieses zu10% Verleasen einzudämmen um auch anderen und neuen ASPlayern eine Chance zugeben dann nur unter dem Punkt das AS eine Mechanismus einbauen sollte ,wo es nur erlaubt ist 5 Maschinen zu 10% zuverleasen an einen anderen Spieler.
Dieses Spielens ,das die gesamte Flotte auf 10% Leasingvertäge basiert, ist für mich nur Creditsverbrennens um neue Spieler (damit meine ich Neuanmeldungen ) zuvergraulen von AS.
tolle Lösung :)
Jedoch könnten mehrere Spieler dann beteiligt sein und sich gegenseitig immer je 5 Flieger verleasen. Es wäre besser pro Account höchstens 5 billige Leasings zu erlauben
This is my last post regarding this Matter…
Sabena my leases are only wrong because it isn’t you the lessee that’s why you cry so much about… but no problem If you want to play in riem I can buy some frames and than cheap lease it so I can help out…
Help out your competitor!
Good night
Nice continuous crying scene
Well first of all good evening to everyone.
I provide cheap leases yes for all my alliance partners yes! I’ve been playing AirlineSim for 3 years since 2015 and I’m glad to say that despite the fierce competition I was able to succeed and now I have around 600 owned 320 neos and CS1, that’s my merit my effort my time spent there…
I spent hours doing excel sheets… even Math did a new feature in asroutemap upon my request.
I’m not the richest but I’m well in AS I have a 50bi worth holding.
I fight everyday to achieve this… at bottom line I think I can do whatever I want with my frames lease to anyone I want and at the Price I want, if don’t agree with it do it like I did work hard play hard and maybe one day you will be successful enough to provide cheap leases to who ever you want.
I spent hours reading topics and was smart enough to notice that going public would ruin my business so I didn’t, I spent hours reading in forum that owned planes will start giving profit after 2 years, and I understood what role model I should run! I never cried I was never helped I started with the same 10mil as all others do!
So if I’m at the position to help out my friends it’s on my own credit, and yeah I’ll do that as much as I can because I need help on those markets and In any big company around the world if a successful partner can help the profit the company will put resources on it… Boeing leases frames to Brazilian Gol at very cheap prices at he’s beginning to fight Tam that use airbus.
So my suggestion to all of you is:
Stop spending time on crying about it in the forum and try to create a nice model so you can be successful, and don’t blame the others for having better business partners than the ones you have!
By the ways if needed I can buy another 400 cs1 cash and lease them out as much as I like! Guess why? Because I just can!
Best Regards
Bcavalini
Latin America Aviation
Hi,
first of all, it is not about the great job you have done here and what you achieved with your airline.
regarding this, you have a lot of respect from my side und i can only say: CONGRATULATIONS !
nobody said that your not allowed to do whatever you want with your money, nor is anyone crying
because they dont have such potential partners.
on the other hand, other people have just as well done some great jobs and achieved a lot of things here.
just for example.
i joined the game (server) long time after it was started and there have already been many huge airlines
at that time. with a lot of time an beeing enthutiastic i managed to set up the second largest (by weekly PAX)
company in the EU. maybe in different ways and modell then you, but i also managed.
therefore, i am proud of what i set up.
the point is, that especially for newcomers there is no chance to build up something as well if others get
huge advantages by your help. and that is the point called fairnes.
if your friends have the SAME START UP CONDITIONS as everyone has, then its fair. ONLY then !
or, if someone, like in my case e.g., i would be allowed to use my money to buy aircraft and lease them
to my own daughter company. in taht case there would be same start up conditions as for your friends.
BUT, i am NOT ALLOWED to do so !!
so please explain to me where the fairnes is !!
also ask yourself, if your friends can achieve the same, if they dont get such help.
can you respect more what they set up by themselfs if they do it without help ?
(i am sure the answer will be: NO !!)
and what will they do, if for whatever reason you will pull the plug and take them their aircraft ?
the only thing that you reach in the long run is: the server will belong to you and a few of your friends
as most others will sooner or later disappear.
and then ? will you act like in monopoly and start killing all your freinds airlines in order to be all alone ?
in the end you have achieved only one thing.
your wasted years and i dont know how many hours to be all alone.
well, CONGRATS if that is your target.
This is my last post regarding this Matter...
Sabena my leases are only wrong because it isn’t you the lessee that’s why you cry so much about… but no problem If you want to play in riem I can buy some frames and than cheap lease it so I can help out…
Help out your competitor!
Good night
Nice continuous crying scene
??
honestly, what's your problem?
Hi,
first of all, it is not about the great job you have done here and what you achieved with your airline.
regarding this, you have a lot of respect from my side und i can only say: CONGRATULATIONS !
nobody said that your not allowed to do whatever you want with your money, nor is anyone crying
because they dont have such potential partners.
on the other hand, other people have just as well done some great jobs and achieved a lot of things here.
just for example.
i joined the game (server) long time after it was started and there have already been many huge airlines
at that time. with a lot of time an beeing enthutiastic i managed to set up the second largest (by weekly PAX)
company in the EU. maybe in different ways and modell then you, but i also managed.
therefore, i am proud of what i set up.
the point is, that especially for newcomers there is no chance to build up something as well if others get
huge advantages by your help. and that is the point called fairnes.
if your friends have the SAME START UP CONDITIONS as everyone has, then its fair. ONLY then !
or, if someone, like in my case e.g., i would be allowed to use my money to buy aircraft and lease them
to my own daughter company. in taht case there would be same start up conditions as for your friends.
BUT, i am NOT ALLOWED to do so !!
so please explain to me where the fairnes is !!
also ask yourself, if your friends can achieve the same, if they dont get such help.
can you respect more what they set up by themselfs if they do it without help ?
(i am sure the answer will be: NO !!)
and what will they do, if for whatever reason you will pull the plug and take them their aircraft ?
the only thing that you reach in the long run is: the server will belong to you and a few of your friends
as most others will sooner or later disappear.
and then ? will you act like in monopoly and start killing all your freinds airlines in order to be all alone ?
in the end you have achieved only one thing.
your wasted years and i dont know how many hours to be all alone.
well, CONGRATS if that is your target.
Nothing to adjust
Hi Georgiano
First of all thanks for your compliment!
And I would like to congratulate you as well.
Unfortunately you have a public company that’s a problem I know because a time a go I bought a competitor airline and kept it for a long time not much to do with it.
Well I think that the game is just about it… a game that we play and at some point you will reach the end of it… I had much goals in my trajectory…
It can be difficult yes for new players but there’s ways to find some markets that workout… what I discover with new players is that they want to play in the big markets like USA Europe etc but they never have the patience to grow… most of them doesn’t understand the game mechanics and end up giving up on the first 2 to 3 weeks…
I helped a lot of new players that contact me but always the same liquidation…
The profit for AS is us old dogs that gave too much effort to just give it up… or liquidate…
It’s nice to help out friends that you talk everyday for years and you can call them friends only because of this stupid game…
So maybe my friend goes there play a while in europe or México and than he quits it’s more a exercise to keep up the willing to join the game…
So I think you guys do a big storm over something that happens from years and will still happen for years to go…
There’s no fairness in games it’s not real life… and even in real life there’s no such thing as fairness…
I think that riem has a unique configuration that makes it a boring world lol for real…
But yeah we still there we pay the credits and we try to have some fun…
Cheap leases doesn’t mean much on the long run anyway is just a head start if you don’t give the proper attention you end up unsuccessful… so not that big deal…
Well at least we can have fun in the forums!
Best regards
Hi Georgiano
First of all thanks for your compliment!
And I would like to congratulate you as well.
Unfortunately you have a public company that’s a problem I know because a time a go I bought a competitor airline and kept it for a long time not much to do with it.
Well I think that the game is just about it… a game that we play and at some point you will reach the end of it… I had much goals in my trajectory…
It can be difficult yes for new players but there’s ways to find some markets that workout… what I discover with new players is that they want to play in the big markets like USA Europe etc but they never have the patience to grow… most of them doesn’t understand the game mechanics and end up giving up on the first 2 to 3 weeks…
I helped a lot of new players that contact me but always the same liquidation…
The profit for AS is us old dogs that gave too much effort to just give it up… or liquidate…
It’s nice to help out friends that you talk everyday for years and you can call them friends only because of this stupid game…
So maybe my friend goes there play a while in europe or México and than he quits it’s more a exercise to keep up the willing to join the game…
So I think you guys do a big storm over something that happens from years and will still happen for years to go…
There’s no fairness in games it’s not real life… and even in real life there’s no such thing as fairness…
I think that riem has a unique configuration that makes it a boring world lol for real…
But yeah we still there we pay the credits and we try to have some fun…
Cheap leases doesn’t mean much on the long run anyway is just a head start if you don’t give the proper attention you end up unsuccessful… so not that big deal…
Well at least we can have fun in the forums!
Best regards
whether its a mistake to bring a company to stock market or not is a question of point of view.
for some people it maybe wrong, for others not.
thats a question of point of view, model of game and philosphy.
i did not regret going this way, only maybe that i did it to early due to impatience.
if you say that you reached the end of what you can do..... then why are you still here (and spoil other peoples chances and fun) ?
wouldnt it be a nicer and bigger task / challenge to start again from scratch ? (which i have done many years ago on DEVAU)
maybe on a second server in parallel and keep this place running ?
or maybe, in additon, play other games together with your friends that have the goal to be the winner. games like monopoly or risk ?
(i guess now i will get some trouble for unallowed advertising :angry: :D )
i know what you mean about new players as i have same experiences.
sure its nice to help friends. no doubt about it. and i do help my friends when possible.
but still i would only help in fair or legal way !!
and that is what i tried to point out, as long as my airline can not lease to my own daughter airline because its considered cheating,
its also somehow a form of cheating when leasing cheap to third partie. thats why i suggested to find some kind of regulation.
e.g. leasing with only 50% instead of 10%, or maybe like newworld suggested earlier, allow a max. of 5 or 10 planes at very low rates
per supported account.
in my opinion, and thats the reason why i started this topic, the way you do it is not the fair way and why i tried
to start a discussion hoping to find ways of regulation or understanding to change things.
NOT to make a storm in a glas filled with water ! (german saying ;) )
you said the world is not fair, i agree on it, but as long as people do not start changing opinion in small scale,
it will never have the change to get better in whole.
as long as that, rules and regulations are needed and usefull.
dont you think ?
war ja jetzt auch nur ein randthema des eigentlich gemeinten. also bitte!
mein ziel ist es das sich etwas am billig leasing ändert, oder zumindest das man mir vernünftig (!!) erläutert warum ich "mir selber"
keine billige leasingraten gewähren darf.
denn das eine ist meines erachtens genausoviel oder wenig regelverstoss wie das andere, wenn auch indirekt über einen externen partner !!
Mein Ratschlag bleibt bestehen. Wenn ihr meint, dass jemand Ressourcen blockt, dann report an den Support.
Erläuterungen zu bestehenden Regeln kann ich Dir leider nicht geben, da sie länger bestehen als ich hier spiele. Und ich müsste jetzt Hunderte von threads durchschauen, um rauszufinden, was der Punkt war, an dem die Regel umgestellt wurde. Denn ich weiss, dass es die Beschränkung irgendwann nicht gab. Vielleicht kann sich ein älterer Hase erinnern (oder Du schreibst einfach mal den Support direkt an).
und ein grosses ENTSCHULDIGUNG das es hier ins englische abgedriftet ist.
aber leider sind solche diskussionen für fremdsprachler nicht über google translate führbar
bzw. führen wegen der schlechten dolmetscher qualität nur zu unnötigem stress / ärger oder gar feindseligkeiten!
notfalls bitte ich einen MOD das thema ins englische forum zu verschieben
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As long as it is legal, why shouldn’t I have some?
My leases do not hinder the others as your leasing do. You use leasing in order to integrate a dirty game play into your game world. This has consequences for the others.
of course I can criticize your leases, you subsidize others!
PS: Please write in german if you can, this is a german thread
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This was my 500 post
Das ist natürlich kein Argument, SabenaExpress.
Wer selber von billigem Leasing profitiert, sollte sich bitte nicht aus dem Fenster lehnen und es ablehnen. Die Diskussion darüber war heftig und ist mittlerweile wieder verebbt. Mach doch einfach einen neuen thread auf und lass das Thema wieder aufleben. Davor aber bitte Deine billigen Flieger wieder zurückgeben, sonst ist das bisschen seltsam. Meine Meinung.
Wenn ihr meint, dass jemand Ressourcen blockt, dann report an den Support.
Wieso bringst du dann das Thema erneut auf wenn dir gesagt wurde das es hier nur eine Randerscheinung ist
während es tatsächlich um was anderes geht ?
Damit war das Thema "resourcenblocking" doch längst abgehakt !!
Weil es an 10% Leasing nichts auszusetzen gibt und der Kollege voeni sich in seinem Post mit Ressourcenblocking beschäftigt hat. Ist vielleicht für Dich eine Randerscheinung, offenbar für andere nicht.
Sich selbst keine Maschinen zu 10% verlesen zu können, hatte schlicht den Hintergrund die Wettbewerbsfähigkeit sehr großer Airlines einzudämmen.
Zum Thema an sich: Wenn jemand Maschinen zu 10% verleast, dann ist das die Sache des Eigentümers der Firma. Es wurde in einem anderen Thread schon vorgerechnet, dass 10% bei Altmetall immer noch ein positives Geschäft sein kann.
Warum manche Airlines 10% an Leasing an andere vergeben ist auch sonnenklar: Man will einen Marktzugang haben den man sonst nicht haben könnte, weil die Airline die im gewünschten Markt Nr1 ist ub kein IL eingehen möchte. Habe ich die Möglichkeit einer anderen Airline die mir einen entsprechenden Markzugang ermöglichen könnte zu unterstützen, wäre ich als Manager einer Airline eher untauglich wenn ich diese Möglichkeit nicht nutzen würde.
Ist das für jemanden der aus dem Markt gedrängt wird unangenehm? Ja, selbstverständlich, nur ist Airlinesim nun mal eine Wirtschaftssimulation. Eine Wirtschaftssimulation die einen nahezu völlig freien Markt simuliert. Zu so einer Simulation gehört auch, dass manche aus dem Markt gedrängt werden.
resourcenblocking ist in diesem thread abgehakt. also bitte lass das thema hier weg.
vielleicht gibt es für dich und manch manch anderem nichts an 10% leasing auszusetzen, für einige aber schon !!
und genau für diese diskussion wurde der thread hier erstellt.