I can accept that explanation! :)
If we knew it before we would have avoided it from happen in the first place or we would have announced it in the email. Problem is that it was simply not noticed before because we used only the confugurator but did not changed an old seating into a new one.... so it was coming as a surprise to us as well.
It seems not enough testing was done. It matters not to me since now I employ even more F/A than I did before after the switch.
When I created my new seating configurations under the new system, I was able to add virtually all of my surplus flight attendants back to their former jobs--problem solved!
I agree that we could have been warned that this was coming but it really should not be that serious of a problem for airlines that keep configurations similar to the ones they had before.
No, that is the whole problem. In the new cabin configuration I can add less FA's then in the old one. That means that all my A/C have new cabins with maximum FA's and I still have 132 FA's without a job...
No, that is the whole problem. In the new cabin configuration I can add less FA's then in the old one. That means that all my A/C have new cabins with maximum FA's and I still have 132 FA's without a job...
The old configuration tool required a minimum of 1 attendant per 50 passengers per class, but now you only need 1 attendant per 50 passengers. Before, I used 76 economy seats with two attendants, and 23 business seats with one attendant. Now, if I used the same configuration, I’d have (76+23=)99 passengers, therefore I only need two attendants.
Here is my issue - the cabin editor just doesn't work for my aircrafts!
I use YAK-42Ds and when I tried to convert to the new seat editor - I was shown the tube-like fuselage no wider than that of a turboprop!!
The new editor only allows 3 abreast seating when you choose the long-haul recliner seats in Business class. In the economy section, it is even worse, it allows only 4 abreast seating even when using standard seats!!
I do not know if it is deliberate or an error however it is completely unrealistic and unacceptable! The YAK-42D has a fuselage that is 3.8m wide and an interior cabin that is 3.6m wide! This makes it effectively roomier than even the Tu-154, the B737 and anything smaller in fuselage width!
Heh, Jan pointed out I’ve got 1,000+ F/As that are having a paid vacation (to one of 500+ destinations on my global airline group).
In the words of Slim,
“Well, bye”
Also, I like the new config. I’ve always offered premium config (130 seats on a 737-900ER flying 4500mi), so now finally the prices are reflecting reality. I think the people who got screwed by this change are the low seat quality airlines.
I changed over 600 airplanes to the new config. F*** it, I saved money, I’ll figure out how to make money while people complain.
Get busy doing or get bus dying folks, this guy on Pearls who flies 3million pax per week is on the new system!
I have realised that when changing from one "new" (=made with the new tool) configuration to another "new" configuration I have to pay the full amount of the new configurations, even if I simply change the size of the classes with the same seats.
Example:
Old "new" configuration: 16 Recliner Shorthaul and 84 Leisure Plus
New "new" configuration: 20 Recliner Shorthaul and 80 Leisure Plus
Wouldn't it be logical that I only have to pay 4 Recliner Shorthaul seats and use the other ones I had before? I meant that this has been said before...
Just on a side note: The new cabin configurations cost me almost 100 mio. AS$ so far... It's better I don't comment on that...
That's the same like before and until the seat itself got defined by the player (one of the further features) there is no storage and the seats got replaced by scrapping the old ones.
SK, ...Please respond to my complaint above. Take a look at the implementation of the new seat editor with regards to Yak-42D. I have detailed the issues in my statement above. Let me rephrase it below;
Here is my issue - the cabin editor just doesn't work for my aircrafts!
I use YAK-42Ds and when I tried to convert to the new seat editor - I was shown the tube-like fuselage no wider than that of a turboprop!!
The new editor only allows 3 abreast seating when you choose the long-haul recliner seats in Business class. In the economy section, it is even worse, it allows only 4 abreast seating even when using standard seats!!
I do not know if it is deliberate or an error however it is completely unrealistic and unacceptable! The YAK-42D has a fuselage that is 3.8m wide and an interior cabin that is 3.6m wide! This makes it effectively roomier than even the Tu-154, the B737 and anything smaller in fuselage width!
That's the same like before and until the seat itself got defined by the player (one of the further features) there is no storage and the seats got replaced by scrapping the old ones.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any player demand for a seat storage. (At least not in this thread.) What voeni proposes (and I've proposed earlier in the forum) is that when changing from a 16/84 configuration to a 20/80 configuration (with identical seat types) you would only have to pay for 4 new business seats and 4 old economy seats get scrapped and depreciated. Fine-tuning the relation between Y and C seats depending on demand is probably the most common reason for changing seat configurations, at least for me.
This should be possible to implement with comparatively little effort as it only requires a different price calculation rather than data model and user interface changes. Why make things unnecessaryly complicated?
But that's still the same. Changing a seat configuration means putting out the old ones and purchasing new.
Changing a seat configuration means putting out the old ones and purchasing new.
I give in. This is leading nowhere. Personally I am not 100% sure if you just don't get the point or if you disagree. Whatever.
But that's still the same. Changing a seat configuration means putting out the old ones and purchasing new.
Sorry, that’s not true. Nowadays you can easily take two rows out of an aircraft and install a new row with different seats. Or do you think when Lufthansa introduces Premium Economy they are replacing the whole cabin with completely new seats??
EDIT: Post removed, double posting…
Would someone explain to me the "Extra F/A" option in the cabin config page?
I ask, as I see no way of knowing, where the "Min F/A" that goes with the aircraft are already working (ie: which cabin) and thus don't really know how many "extra" to assign each cabin...
Hope that makes sense - it's been a long day.
Example. 787 minimum F/A is 5, but in a 3 class config, how many go where?
Hi,
long time no see :-)
I may be wrong - this cabin editor is as new to me as it is to you - but I believe it goes like this:
- the legal minimum number of flight attendants works all over the plane.
- the extra flight attendants work where you put them, and that class will get a higher image.
Jan
@sobelair - you are right - that's how it works.
@voeni - we know, and that shall be possible when the seating topic is completed. But at the moment this is still part of the old behaviour of the old cabin configuration and assignment. So all seats are removed and new seats built. There is another step in between before we can make the re-usage of seats.
Jeez, I've been away for a week on business, now I'm horrified to see what's going on - I have over 200 aircraft, over 70 cabin configurations, and now AS tells me that of 4056 cabin attendants, 58% are laid off - what the $&$/ is going on here? Am I seriously supposed to spend the Christmas holidays reprogramming every single cabin configuration and reassigning them to each and every aircraft individually by hand? Tell me this can't be true.
There is talk that the old cabin configurations still get good ratings, depending on what you are using, but as for the flight attendants.. yep. They're either dead weight or you have to fire them.. or change to the new configurations. Additionally, the new cabin configurations don't usually allow as many flight attendants as the old configurations. If you maxed out your FAs on flights, you may still end up with extra FAs.
There is talk that the old cabin configurations still get good ratings, depending on what you are using ....
Agreed. But watch out for the image ranking of your seat space with the old configs.