Its possible with a 737 https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4mxis8hsc7rmm3/737_003.JPG
Yep, exactly. Works pretty well, too. Now I'm just deciding on whether to stay with the 195 or move onto something a little bit bigger.
I give the A321 a chance
Sorry for double post!
Here's a screenshot of how to get a 736 with that configuration. It is possible, though it really doesn't give good ratings.
I think Aspern will be a very balanced server ,,,If I recall correctly we had with the start of Meigs after 4 days companies with 100+ aircrafts. Here on Aspern you don't see that ... You have to consider a few things on Aspern. Some player here have 31 Lets ...... thats no Problem if you use them to small Airports with 1-2 Bar demand. If you will use them like some players did on slotblocking for Mega Airports then you will get a big surprise with the landing fees which are extremely high especially for small planes flying to or between Mega Airports. Also ATC Fees have been increased and will cost you some Profit. Also the Fuel Consumtion an the B737 -700 and -900 and for the Dash8 has been modified so you will not generate big profits then before. And last but not least the Cabin Editor. Of course you can install Slimeline Seats and Eco and Business Class and that is by the way NOT against the Game rules ... But I don't know if it is a wise Idea to do .... Your Company Image will not be good ... and once it is bad it takes a looooong time to increase (long term negative impact). Plus you have to pay 2 times for the seats which means you burn money. You can ask for a higher Price for a good seat that will compensate for the less seats you are able to install and unless we did not do something seriously wrong the Profit should be balanced between a slimsline Seat with lower price and good seats and higher price .... So all in all we closed many gaps that where there in the past.
So alex, now i’m really interested…
You mentioned my airline ‘voeni airways’ in point 1 of your (somehow strange) post.
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Can you give me one single hint to base your accusation of me blocking slots in LAX? The smallest (and only) aircraft type I operate out of LAX is the B737-900. This is definitely reputational damage which I’m not willing to accept!
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You tell something like ‘voeni airways’ and ‘Air San Francisco’ not competing, being in the same alliance and having the same interlines. This is simply ridiculous and shows how much you have invested in the game and what nonsense you write. It’s the two biggest companies on the server, engaged in a healthy competition with complete different alliance and interline strategies.
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Me (and other experienced players) are always trying to help beginners, in fact, I’m currently supporting two players starting their airline and get it going. But i can understand that no one is willing to help you.
Why one earth do you write such bulls***?
Its possible with a 737 https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4mxis8hsc7rmm3/737_003.JPG
Thank you for showing. I didn't know that the Slimline Seats are really smaller :D I thought if you go down the lists of seats they get bigger and bigger. So I have to read excactly and watch what happened.
What's ever, this configuration isn't very usefull for a longer time. So I think BenjaminA330 is right if he say this server will be very balanced.
By the way, lack of know how does not mean that other people cheating ;)
You can easily screw their business if you compete with them. Sadly none of the players are doing so. Rather I see lots of people are cutting their price without reason. Anyway, it is not cheating, it is just some strategy to maximize profit.
Yeah, and after two weeks there would be only Earth Stand members left... Look at what they did to other servers.
Like at Gatow... Bugusing and Slot blocking Alliance... The cabin configuration ist out of question...
It would be more realistic to enable unlimited number of old planes. Then the market would mature extremely fast.
While I don't like picking on words, but I couldn't stop myself. Unlimited amount + planes no longer in production = realistic? Doesn't sound realistic to me.
There's nothing wrong with old planes (ideally), but AS has 10 other servers with them enabled waiting for you to enjoy them. I would say Aspern was intended for people who were utterly astonished (not in a good way) with what happened at Gatow (me being one of them).
As far as Aspern goes, this was the best launch of international AS server ever. I would like to ask people who complain about 'unrealistic' seat configurations to revisit those airlines in a couple of weeks. I am sure that they will have a very hard time filling those seats. And yes, while some may argue that with the profits they made they are in a better position in terms of competing, they really aren't. Rubbish seats have put them in clear disadvantage as far as image is concerned and it will take them a considerable amount of time to improve it to the level your airline has, if it operated better seats from the beginning. This is where most opportunists will go bust (like some Earth Stand airlines if I recall correctly).
Clever CEOs are clever because they figure out how to get what they want (money) as quickly as possible for as little as possible. I don't think you would need too much time to think of real world examples of this. While you might approve or disapprove their tactics, you need to keep in mind that this is a sandbox game. AS is giving you as much freedom as they can to operate the airline you want. It wouldn't be much fun if at the start of the game world you were given X amount of planes, unchangeable onboard service, irremovable seat layout, preset routes and prices instead of 10 million AS$ to play with.
If you think that the idea of tapping into lucrative business market with basic seats and high prices is wrong - prove them wrong. Put yourself into position to compete with them and drive them out of business with your superior service. If 'unrealistic' seat layouts fit into your business plan - go for it. There's nothing stopping either one or any of the n+1 options that are available to you.
We should not be restricted from the fleet choices of real world airlines. Then this is not truly a sandbox or a strategic simulator
It was quite clear that this server would only have:
- only aircraft currently in production
- no used aircraft when the server launched
Rubbish seats have put them in clear disadvantage as far as image is concerned and it will take them a considerable amount of time to improve it to the level your airline has, if it operated better seats from the beginning. This is where most opportunists will go bust (like some Earth Stand airlines if I recall correctly).
The seems to be the most missunderstood fact. Seat type does not influence your image at all. I'm using standard seats (bussiness and eco) without any impact on my image. I will adjust my seats when competition kicks in but until then I'm making a great profit.
Why doesn't that sound realistic?
If 50 aircraft of an old type (no longer in production) was built in the real world - how does it impact realism if 51 or more have been built in AirlineSim?
Well then, it would seem you are looking for a different kind of realism. As far as I'm concerned, unlimited amounts of aircraft no longer in production are not realistic. Just because Boeing 707 was produced some time ago, does not mean we should have 500 of them flying around today.
You mention this is a sandbox game, therefore scenarios different from the real world should be possible. That makes it completely irrelevant how many of an old aircraft type has been built. The precise amount of any aircraft type built should be up to the airlines here in AS. We should not be restricted from the fleet choices of real world airlines. Then this is not truly a sandbox or a strategic simulator
We are not talking about parallel universes here. We operate under the assumption that it's today in this universe. That's why there are no Dassault Mercure or Concordes flying around. If we were to get inside the box, there are 12 game worlds. 2 of them with no ancient aircraft. I think that qualifies as "scenarios different from the real world" Further on, it has been mentioned that AS team is working on a game world based on the past. This is where you can get +1 old extra airframe produced. We're in 2013 now, this is why we can't retrospectively build the 51st aircraft.
While I might admit that definition of sandbox is too wide, I'm sure that your and mine understanding of it are different. Your sandbox, and correct me if I'm wrong, works under the assumption that "LHR has build a third runway and has a lot more slots available" - i.e. a sandbox where the condition of the game changes to your needs and wishes.
My sandbox is crudely defined within certain parameters - i.e. finite resources and I get to play in it within those set parameters, aircraft currently in production being one of them.
If old aircraft were unlimited, we would have seen more typical seating configuration and a faster maturing of the market.
No, we would have seen Gatow v2.0 and more airlines which have 100+ used aircraft within a week. While I consider old used aircraft to be a necessary evil of today's aviation, this doesn't have to be the case in all game worlds (scenarios different from the real world). Just imagine Aspern being a world where all the airplanes and airlines disappeared into thin air, where MD80s and 737-300s don't exist anymore. If that's not to your liking, play in Gatow or 9 other game worlds, where they have those airplanes available.
Restricting our freedoms just creates more and more examples of unrealistic behavior
Unrestricted freedoms are a recipe for chaos. In my view, if no restrictions (I would need you to elaborate on what else is a restriction, other than old aircraft not being available) were to exist AS we would have de Havilland Comets and 787s doing transatlantic hops. And that does not sound plausible to me.
The seems to be the most missunderstood fact. Seat type does not influence your image at all. I'm using standard seats (bussiness and eco) without any impact on my image. I will adjust my seats when competition kicks in but until then I'm making a great profit.
Hm... I guess my answer to that would be - it should! :)
I've been reading Wiki and the wording seems to be ubiquitous
The Image of an airline is rather less tangible than the particular type of seats an aircraft is fitted with; it is formed over time, based on the subjective experiences of passengers after they've completed their flights. An airline's image taken as a whole is a Product Factor, and influences passengers as they book their flights.
Sorry for the triple post.
That was made to eliminate the problem of first-grabbers that took a huge advantage. Instead players have now turned to bizzare seating configurations such as 78 business class "Slimline HD" seats on a CRJ 700 - becayse the supply/demand ratio allows that in a new game world. A more realistic behavior would be to expand on capacity instead and still offer the passengers a product with fairly nice value-for-money - BUT, that has been restricted by AS with the elimination of cheaper and older (but still good) aircraft types.
The no-old-aircraft solution significantly reduces realism
I swear to god I'm getting lost here with your thought process.
Old aircraft are bad, because they are a limited resource and whoever grabs them first is a clear winner with distinct advantage.
Limited amount of old aircraft are bad, because that is not realistic - i.e. some airline decided that there was an extra airframe produced 10 years ago.
So I guess your suggestion is - unlimited availability (so no one can be a first-grabber) of 727 and 737 classic airframes at extremely low prices... Oh boy, I wonder how would that turn out.
The funny thing is, even with 1000 737-200s up for grabs, people would still put slimline seats in them during first weeks of the world. Why? Because we only have 10 mil to start with and demand will be greater than supply.
We talk about what AS has taken away (restricted), but look into this game world. I don't know how many game world starts you witnessed, but it more or less went one way -> get your hands onto as many good used aircraft as soon as possible as cram them with as many seats as you can and set the prices to 200%. If old aircraft are not an option, get all AN140s you can and fit as many seats as you can and still charge the most you can. If that ain't possible, go for Dash 8s. Further down the road, get the best profit makers - 737-900s and 800s (or 700s?). This is pretty much how every single game world started up until now. Just look at the variety of fleet combinations we have today - ATRs, Airbuses, Superjets are amongst most popular starter aircraft - that's a first.
It sounds like you contradict yourself when you praise variety, yet still only want modern aircraft.
That would be just like demanding realism, but not wanting taxes. Totally contradicting. I totally agree with you ATITANIC! :D
ok guys ... could you please discuss this privately?
Its actually pretty interesting to read... with fairly dead forums some controversy is nice.