Les halt einfach mal die Posts dazu, bevor Du wieder mal deinen rant ablässt.
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naja, ich sag nix mehr ……..
Niemand hindert Dich daran, etwas zu schreiben, aber a) ist das hier ein Englischer thread und b) ist ein Kotz-Emoji nicht hilfreich in der Sache. Niemand zwingt Dich, auch auf Paine zu spielen.
Sorry for the hijacking of the English thread.
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a) ok, b) sehe ich anders. Aber Egal
Overall, the demand distribution is very intersting. Morning fligth VIE-INN is 100% in all classes, evenening flight is 0% in all classes, but all passengers are P2P Pax. So you would think the would distribute more evenly, but they do not. I agree with the statement above that increasing the price a little bit above average is killing demand. Looking forward for different pricing points to steer demand better.
But isnt that the fun part, I have been with AS since the beginning and finally, there is something new to explore and understand. The old wolrd was simple, good seats, many connections and high prices.
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All else being equal, the system books in the same way as you can see the results in the ORS, namely „neutral display order“. This is because pax do not have preferred travel dates/times yet. Which I’ll most likely add over the coming weeks, as it’s already existed in the DS. It’s just a bit tricky to make it work with the very limited booking window of 3 days. But at the end of the day, it’s all stochastic, so I’ll find a way. And once fares are implemented, people can adjust existing prices, meaning I could consider extending the booking window. If I can handle the performance implications given the current architecture…the DS was/is a whole different thing 
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I have a weird situation on what used to be an absolute high-demand connection (HND-KIX) I have four flights a day, (6am, 10am, 2pm and 6pm) … and they are booked completely full (ECO/BUS/CARGO) (which is what I would expect) - with the exception of the 10am flight, which gets zero ECO passengers.
I have another plane that is flying full one way - and returns empty.
I may not understand the new system correctly, but right now, I got zero insight in what is happening here, and it feels borderline buggy. I guess if this is supposed to work, I need more insight into individual passenger requests (e.g. ‘what kind of passengers with what demands are flying these routes’ and/or ‘what kind of passengers are booked on your individual flight’ - which incidentally is what ‘market research’ means in a real-world environment).
I play on long-term game worlds, and this new system as it is right now positively scares me. It has a certain likelyhood to crush my operations there, and make full flights feel random at best.
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That’s odd, indeed. My first hunch was that the 10:00 flight is just the last one in UTC, but it’s not. Is this happening consistently across several days or is it a new batch of flights?
Well, but on the other hand that means, that exactly 100 Pax in Eco and 10 Pax in Business a day have a desire to fly INN-VIE. As I am the only one operating the route. One flight completly full and the other completly empty. This is far from ideal. Plus what is happening to all the INN pax going to the rest of the world?
Possibly, but that’s assuming your prices capture the whole market.
Yes, absolutely. And it should look a lot better soon, once I’ve added travel time components.
What do you mean? Technically, it works the same as before…assuming you have working connections at VIE, those will be booked. But I might not understand your question.
I might wanna add something to that last part about connections. We are aware that pax are less willing to fly multi-segment trips and that there is a maximum budget they are willing to spend. Three questions in here;
- (Maybe stupid but I always like confirmation): Multi-segment trips are flights with a minimum of 1 or 2 stops?
- Is the maximum budget of the current pax types the same or different for a direct or connecting flight?
- If a multi-segment trip is the only way for a pax to get to their destination and it is within their budget, does the pax take the flight even tho multi segment trips being way less attractive?
For example for question 2: if pax wants to fly from Valencia to Copenhagen and their maximum budget is €150, but the only option is to fly via Frankfurt for two flights of €100 each, do they still take that connection or is that connection out of scope for that pax?
Correct.
No, passengers have a maximum budget for a trip from point A to point B and it doesn’t matter what the actual connection looks like.
Yes, they will book whatever is within their budget and matches any other filter criteria a type might have. Although there aren’t many at the moment and I doubt I’ll add a hard filter criterion for “number of stops” anytime soon.
Ah okay that was my point above. I am currently the online airline operating out of INN. But I only have P2P passengers on my flights. There are no connecting passengers despite having a complete empty flight.
So but than the Pricing part becomes crucial, as I cannot offer a transfer price other than the P2P of two flights. Leading to the point that in future I probably need to decrease prices to the bare minimum on “Feeder” Routes in order to meet the budget critiria of a pax travelling INN to ATH for example.
Does that mean right now, the system only works for P2P as the prices of Transfer Connections never meet the budget of passengers? That is at least my current experience as I only have P2P passengers on all my flights.
Generally, no. It just means there’s a slimmer margin on connections.
But: As said many times now, the current economy pax type is very price conscious, so yes, direct flights would require fairly low prices to work in multi-segment connections. Which doesn’t mean it affects all requests equally. Because it’s dummy data right now anyway, I can share a concrete example. The current Economy pax type has a “maximum budget factor” of 100% +/- 30%. So for any given request, you could get a maximum budget of 70% of the direct standard price, or one of 130%. This is very low for a “general economy type”, of course. At the risk of sounding like a broken record: More pax types are to come, likely this week already 
That said, one needs to see this in the overall context of the DS: In the not-so-far future, you would/could define a fare for “flights from Austria to Greece with a stop in VIE for 99ASD in booking class T”, while at the same time defining a P2P fare from INN to VIE for 139ASD.
It’s a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation feature-wise, but I got to start somewhere 
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I experience the same problem, but in a bigger scale…
In some routes my flights is departing empty or which 3 or 4 passengers, and my competitor, using the same airplane, same price, same seats departs full…
In others 3 routes, my flights are full… and my competitor not…
Okay, I will not respond with “please don’t overrate the current booking behavior, it’s going to change very soon” anymore 
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Paine = * Pain
But I am really glad to be part of the experiment
I only have info for three days, but in these three days, it is consistent.
Please dont take it as complaining, it is just trying to understand the new system. However, I get it now from your explanation. As you say new types will come this week I guess a lot of players have similar problems, as you always need three days until you can change something. And so I guess there will be a lot of bankruptcies by the end of the week. Maybe the rescue loan could be a bit more generous this week for all players to adapt to the weired load factors.
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This is the point… and this is a very good suggestion!
And other very important point: Congratulations for your courage and hard work in this new project!
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