Ok that was honest and i totally respect what you have told.
But from a newbie point of view, there is clearly a difference between competing with giants in existing game worlds and everyone starting at the same time.
Anyway let it be
OTTO 2 Is just a massive turd i wish I got to play OTTO 1 or Currenty Quimby on lanuch but had family issues to attended to and started on OTTO 2 at Delhi Realising it was a stupid all aircraft server not Current Aircraft Or Just New Aircraft Only so after a day just left the server as i know it was just going to be a cancerous Butt Hole with IL-18D were it was near impossible to start with any other aircraft i hope the next Quimby They get there heads screwed on Correctly and make a normal world with Current used aircraft or new Aircraft only.
There is a German forum post which says that you can beat ORS of all those IL18 flights by using modern jets with good seats and service and adequate pricing. According to that post the ILs Max out ORS at 95, so you can still beat them in 96 to 99 range.
There is a German forum post which says that you can beat ORS of all those IL18 flights by using modern jets with good seats and service and adequate pricing. According to that post the ILs Max out ORS at 95, so you can still beat them in 96 to 99 range.
ORS scare isn't everything. Airlines operating 150+ IL-18 will still get a decent booking rate due to their massive connection.
Restarting the server doesn't solve problems either.
I'm pretty disappointed at the airlinesim-team though, there have been so many topics about the IL-18 but the team has yet failed to give any answer. Simply increasing the price of the IL-18 (if just by 100%) would solve the problem already. I don't know why the airlinesim-team doesn't take any action. So many people are unhappy with the IL-18-disease, yet the solution is so simple. Just make them a bit more expensive. But not providing any solution or at least a "we're working on it" is an utter failure of the airlinesim-team.
I also started on Otto. However, it was very soon to see how this server will develop. So I left it very quickly.
Sometimes you get the feeling the AS team understands their own game the least...
Guys, stop blaming AS team for not knowing what they are doing. Otto is a test server and hence the configuration might be a test configuration also.
I like it, it's fun!
Guys, stop blaming AS team for not knowing what they are doing. Otto is a test server and hence the configuration might be a test configuration also.
Never said that! Just missing some input on that matter. It is annoying that nobody says that anything will change - that is making people angry or letting people come up with ridiculous ideas like voting to restart the server. I mean count the posts concerning IL-18 for the past 2 weeks and yet no statement from the AS team.
What statement are you expecting? When the core AS team are working hard to fix and recover from an issue which meant two game worlds lost 85% of all passenger for a week you can’t expect them to “fix” something that only 48% of users consider it a problem?
What statement are you expecting? When the core AS team are working hard to fix and recover from an issue which meant two game worlds lost 85% of all passenger for a week you can't expect them to "fix" something that only 48% of users consider it a problem?
48% is Still 48% so yea i take your on the 46% side so you think its ok .
What statement are you expecting? When the core AS team are working hard to fix and recover from an issue which meant two game worlds lost 85% of all passenger for a week you can't expect them to "fix" something that only 48% of users consider it a problem?
At least provide info IF you are ever gonna work on it. Is that too much to ask? Simply ignoring the problem doesn't cook the rice.
I am sure something will be done for future server starts with old aircraft available for factory production.
Please note I am not team, I am a moderator, and if everything in the forum is within fair forum rules these are my personal opinions as a player.
My issue is that some people seems to be one way minded and cannot conceive that they might be wrong even though suggestions have been pointed out. If I were part of the team then I would be very reluctant to do anything because there are very valid alternatives, but it would appear that players are unwilling to compromise, or even listen? Some points I've brought up before that no one seems to of answered...
- I'd be interested to know how many have actually reported slot blocking on otto?
- What is wrong with the 15 other game worlds which may or may not have IL18s available?
- What will you do when the world is flooded with IL62s or DC8s instead of IL18s that are no longer available?
- How many users that complain on here are actually using IL18s?
41 out of over 1000 players have raised their voices. 19 players voted for yes, 19 for no. 3 stay neutral.
Hence a small part of players (are all players who voted here active on Otto? - nobody knows…) is complaining… and for that small part the whole setup should be changed? That’s what you are asking for?
Just stop playing here if you feel that it is not the right setup for you. Search on other worlds for a spot you want to play, there are many possibilities without the Soviet Metal. And before doing this, get rid of the IL-18s yourself before continuing to complain.
More players have started raising their voices. Great!!
Even though both of you(ian manson and highscore) are not part of the ''team'', i appreciate the fact that both of you are trying your best to defend ''the team''.
I understand the fact that AS team would be busy with those two servers you mentioned earlier, but we should not forget the fact that this is not the first time IL-18Ds or such jets are causing havoc in Airlinesim.
And as you have raised some un-answered questions, i ll try to answer them.
1. Yes, for gods sake i have reported slot blocking at the first week itself and no action has been taken till now.
Eventhough, AS team would ''fix'' those airlines. those airlines will sprung up again and again and 2 weeks is more than enough to choke the whole system again.
2. I donno, i have n't palyed all those servers. But as far as this thread is concerned, those old jets are chocking Otto2.
3. Pleaseeee pleaseee understand one thing.
We din't demanded banning of IL-18Ds. But demanded adjusting all those old jet's(not only IL-18Ds but all those out of pruduction aircrafts) prices considering inflation OR updating their route restrictions in respective with their low prices. So no other jets will cause the same trouble again, let alone IL-18Ds. Fair enough.
If you have a better solution, then please share with us.
4. You are telling me that, even though AS team hasn't uttered a word about the issue, i should get rid of all those old jets and sit back and watch all others swallow all those slots in a hope that AS team will fix it. Do you have any other good ideas?
And OH! please don't tell me to play in any other servers.
As i have answered yours, i would like to hear some from both of you(ianmanson and highscore) also.
1. Can you explain any one benefit of reporting slot blocking in Otto2?
2. Do you think that there is something wrong with this server?
3. If yes, do you want the problem to be solved, at least in future servers?
4. Have you both tried Otto2?
Please try to answer them honestly
Answering yours first...
1) If you report it properly (ie. not via the forum) then it creates a ticket, and a ticket creates a track. The tickets are handled on a case by case basis as and when there is time. Due to the complexity and especially when you are dealing with real world money / credits that it must be handled by a paid employee. There is ONE full time employee and two part times (and not doing many hours). The money you spend on credits do not pay for anymore than that. So yes there will be a delay in response, that is no different as its ever been. As you have noticed on the server issues thread that there are far bigger issues on multiple full time worlds in the last two weeks (I for one have lost approx 150mil over 2 weeks), where as your complaining that airports thousands of miles from your hub has low slot availability. Somehow I believe that something that can bring down two full time worlds where users have spent for more many credits than anyone every will on otto should take up those resources more or am I wrong?
2)I believe there is nothing wrong with the server. The server is working as it should be technically, every player has equal opportunity to play with IL18s or not. It is up to the player to do their own research on the server prior to committing. Again there are 15 other servers if you don't like IL18s available with plenty of opportunities, the biggest of which can easily be found on the forum.
3) See above
4) As stated before a gameworld where old aircraft are available as new is not realistic so I would not spend my credits on it. I work in aviation so spot any unrealistic annoys me to be fair
Answering your replies to mine now...
1) As above
2) If you have a problem with old jets why not try a game world without them?
3) Some players ARE calling for banning of them. But my argument is valid as if you make them more unattractive than another then the same players will find the next attractive aircraft to replace the IL18, and "swamp" the world with those
4) Absolutely, if you have such an objection to an aircraft don't operate it. Delhi airport has good availability yet you are the 4th biggest operator of IL18s in India? Whats the excuse?
To summarize my view point it is like going to play a game of football, and then complaining that people win by getting the ball in the goal? You surely wouldn't try and change the rules / parameters of football would you?
4. You are telling me that, even though AS team hasn't uttered a word about the issue, i should get rid of all those old jets and sit back and watch all others swallow all those slots in a hope that AS team will fix it. Do you have any other good ideas?And OH! please don't tell me to play in any other servers.highscore: if you have reported airlines in question, support will judge if slot blocking is the case or not.As i have answered yours, i would like to hear some from both of you(ianmanson and highscore) also.1. Can you explain any one benefit of reporting slot blocking in Otto2?As for all other servers, if you have the feeling that slot blocking is happening against the rules, then you can of course report airlines in question.2. Do you think that there is something wrong with this server?as a player myself on that server (what you by the way could have checked before) I don't think that something is wrong, especially as it is a temporary world. So to answer your question: no, there is nothing wrong.3. If yes, do you want the problem to be solved, at least in future servers?see above; future servers is another question which will be discussed in the group deciding on future setups.4. Have you both tried Otto2?yes, I am playing there. You might search for my username, then you will find me.
in general, as ianmanson also stated, we are moderators in this forum. Not part of the development and support team of AS. Same opinion regarding use of IL-18: if you don't like them and make this type of aircraft responsible for the slot situation in other countries, why do you operate them? That is strange - you are doing exactly what other companies are doing but you complaint about it and crying for AS to solve a problem which is not even yours as your HUB is still quite open and fine?
41 out of over 1000 players have raised their voices. 19 players voted for yes, 19 for no. 3 stay neutral.
Hence a small part of players (are all players who voted here active on Otto? - nobody knows…) is complaining… and for that small part the whole setup should be changed? That’s what you are asking for?
Just stop playing here if you feel that it is not the right setup for you. Search on other worlds for a spot you want to play, there are many possibilities without the Soviet Metal. And before doing this, get rid of the IL-18s yourself before continuing to complain.
That is simply wrong. The poll is not "should we do something about the IL-18", the poll says: "should we restart OTTO". That is a HUGE difference. I voted "NO" in that poll! Although I hate the IL-18D and feel something must really done about that, I do not want to restart OTTO - why would I wanna do that? There will be a new OTTO anyways in 6 months.
Answering yours first...
1) If you report it properly (ie. not via the forum) then it creates a ticket, and a ticket creates a track. The tickets are handled on a case by case basis as and when there is time. Due to the complexity and especially when you are dealing with real world money / credits that it must be handled by a paid employee. There is ONE full time employee and two part times (and not doing many hours). The money you spend on credits do not pay for anymore than that. So yes there will be a delay in response, that is no different as its ever been. As you have noticed on the server issues thread that there are far bigger issues on multiple full time worlds in the last two weeks (I for one have lost approx 150mil over 2 weeks), where as your complaining that airports thousands of miles from your hub has low slot availability. Somehow I believe that something that can bring down two full time worlds where users have spent for more many credits than anyone every will on otto should take up those resources more or am I wrong?
2)I believe there is nothing wrong with the server. The server is working as it should be technically, every player has equal opportunity to play with IL18s or not. It is up to the player to do their own research on the server prior to committing. Again there are 15 other servers if you don't like IL18s available with plenty of opportunities, the biggest of which can easily be found on the forum.
3) See above
4) As stated before a gameworld where old aircraft are available as new is not realistic so I would not spend my credits on it. I work in aviation so spot any unrealistic annoys me to be fair
Answering your replies to mine now...
1) As above
2) If you have a problem with old jets why not try a game world without them?
3) Some players ARE calling for banning of them. But my argument is valid as if you make them more unattractive than another then the same players will find the next attractive aircraft to replace the IL18, and "swamp" the world with those
4) Absolutely, if you have such an objection to an aircraft don't operate it. Delhi airport has good availability yet you are the 4th biggest operator of IL18s in India? Whats the excuse?
To summarize my view point it is like going to play a game of football, and then complaining that people win by getting the ball in the goal? You surely wouldn't try and change the rules / parameters of football would you?
Like akashh said, reporting people doesn't help. The airlines in question have been reported since start of the server and yet nothing has been done. I have reported airlines in the past, and 6 months after my very long and extensive support tickets I still hadn't received any answer. What is wrong with the 15 other gameworlds? Well, first of all they don't support old aircraft orders, which is a nice thing of Otto and 2nd, all permanent gameworlds are more or less dead, as there are only 200-300 players on it and the competiton is not very high.
- What will you do when the world is flooded with IL62s or DC8s instead of IL18s that are no longer available?
Did you even check the aircrafts in question? The server can't be flooded with IL-62 or DC-8's because they don't cost just 850k, they cost 7,5-11 MILLION.
If a player can pre-order 150 IL-18, he can just preorder 15-20 IL-62. Again, also that is a HUGE difference.
I think the issue can be solved by voting with your feet.
1.) It is not the team's fault if you do not read the game world description
2.) It is not the team's fault if this results in you becoming unhappy after realizing (or maybe not even realizing) you failed to do so.
3.) You can always leave for one or more of the other game worlds and become happy ever after.
4.) A restart doesn't really make sense. Adding another game world with different settings would. Some players are probably very happy the way it is. These usually are the people who have no reason to come here and complain or vote or... you name it.
So just delete your airline, set up a new one anywhere else. I did, I am happy on ellinikon for the time being.