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Delta economy comfort is not bad on the pacific flights, although there are no extra meal and real cutlery. It is still worth adding some money to get a lot of miles and more room for sleep. i can't use business class quality to measure economy comfort.

Adding economy comfort maybe make the game more unrealistic based on recently ingame business class. i hope i will buy a business class ticket with a bed on flight even at a very high price, but that’s not going to happen in the real life. I will still choose economy or economy comfort. i will take the business class ticket if they don’t ask me to pay more money. :smiley: This brings up a new topic: the recent game system does not allow overbook tickets even when the aircraft is not full. Maybe we can overbook economy class by taking some passengers in business class if the business class is not fully booked before the take-off. Also, if economy comfort is going to be added ingame, i hope the system takes some business passengers to economy comfort class (like fill in economy comfort before business when the services in business class and economy comfort class do not have too much difference)

I would sue the airline if thay but me in premium economy (I should atleast get what I pay for).

I have not seen any difference in seats for SAS go (economy) and SAS plus (business on short and medium haul routes but premium economy on long haul routes), the only difference is unlimited food and drink from the entire menu, unlimited bag weight and 1 flight attendant for 6 passager (on CRJ 900).

- More legroom (36 inches), but no fewer seats per row

  • Slightly more recline (maybe 1-2 inches more )

  • Better food (yeah it was visibly more edible and bigger than regular food in Y)

  • Metal cutlery (yes you get real fork and knife in Y+)

  • Alcoholic drinks … but only with dinner (I would have loved open bar). I don’t know if they offer spirits in regular Y or just wine.

  • Bottle of water… actually it was 3 during the whole flight

  • More baggage allowance

  • Advanced seat selection (fees apply in regular Y)

  • Better chance of having mid-section of 3 seats just for oneself if traveling with a companion, so there is a chance to get some sleep by laying down on the 3 seats (by preselecting both aisle seats with the middle seat empty, basically betting on the fact nobody in his right mind would preselect a middle seat, and worst case scenario it’s possible to switch seats any time). Regular Y, computer assigns seats and also fuller cabin than Y+, more chance of middle seats filling up.

  • No in-seat IFE on some Condor flights as som.


That is exactly what I have for normal economy if not even more. I do not seen a need for premium economy if the demand and the function is already there.

Please let the AS tem work on something that does not exist at all instead of something that is alredy there. So we can have fun whit something totally new and more intresting.

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I would sue the airline if thay but me in premium economy (I should atleast get what I pay for).

I have not seen any difference in seats for SAS go (economy) and SAS plus (business on short and medium haul routes but premium economy on long haul routes), the only difference is unlimited food and drink from the entire menu, unlimited bag weight and 1 flight attendant for 6 passager (on CRJ 900).

That is exactly what I have for normal economy if not even more. I do not seen a need for premium economy if the demand and the function is already there.

Please let the AS tem work on something that does not exist at all instead of something that is alredy there. So we can have fun whit something totally new and more intresting.

Most successful airlines I see are already running Y+ in our economy class cabin.

It doesn't reflect reality. 

That, I believe, is the real reason for a *real* Y+

These are the real classes of service in the real world IMHO

Y- is what american carriers offer internationally (United in the back) and what RyanAir offers domestically

Y is what european carriers offer internationally (Lufthansa, Swiss, AF, etc) and United's Economy Plus is a Y product due to its shitty service.

Y+ is normal people being treated normally (EVA and Aeroflot) - fewer seats per row, booze, recline, food, etc.

J- is 160 degree sloped bed with "ok" service (Emirates on non-380, Thai 747)

J is a lie flat space with small personal area (United's 8 across J on the 777-200ER is a perfect example of basically paying for a flat bed)

J+ is lie flat with more space (see United's BusinessFirst on Ex-CO birds for an example of a J/J+ product on the same airline BusinessFirst gives you more space but same J service) -  Air Canada's Executive First has this too.

J++ is EVA's 777-300ER service since it has top shelf booze, a 1-2-1 configuration, great food, hot made-to-order snacks, a full service bar that can mix most drinks (poorly).

F is a step above J+ in terms of quality of the soft product - see Swiss, (non-suite)

F+ is Emirates A380 First, Singapore First, Cathay First

F++ is Singapore's A380 Suites

F+++ is Etihad's Residences 

F++++ is a private jet

(I am speaking from experience on all of the *A carriers in the class of service noted above except Singapore due to spending miles on cool vacations)

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Copa Ailines and Avianca offer nice Y product, something between Y and Y+. You get food (I even got food on 80 minute hop from PTY to MDE), booze, soft drinks, juice, personal IFE (power ports in Y on AV), regular seat recline, regular non-slimline seats, and "normal" seat pitch (32-33"). Free advanced seat assignment, free checked bags (I think 2), and flexible carry on (nobody going ballistic over 1 inch wider/larger bag or 1 kg more of weight = they don't weight it at all). They are not cheap, but if you are to select flying American carriers via Miami (for maybe 40-50$ less per RT, and frequently even the same price), or CM/AV via PTY/BOG, it is a no-brainer.

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I would sue the airline if thay but me in premium economy (I should atleast get what I pay for).

I have not seen any difference in seats for SAS go (economy) and SAS plus (business on short and medium haul routes but premium economy on long haul routes), the only difference is unlimited food and drink from the entire menu, unlimited bag weight and 1 flight attendant for 6 passager (on CRJ 900).

 

What i mean by "putting them in business class" is upgrading their class for free. I just don't want to see empty seats on a flight when there is a possibility to fill them in. It also happens in the real world when the plane is overbooked. You don't pay a single money to upgrade your seat. You get more than what you pay for. I think it is better to carry a passenger paying economy class price in business class rather than leave an empty business seat. 

It seems impossible to have unlimited bad weight ingame since AS has no rules about passengers' bags.

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Delta economy comfort is not bad on the pacific flights, although there are no extra meal and real cutlery. It is still worth adding some money to get a lot of miles and more room for sleep. i can't use business class quality to measure economy comfort. 

Adding economy comfort maybe make the game more unrealistic based on recently ingame business class.  i hope i will buy a business class ticket with a bed on flight even at a very high price, but that's not going to happen in the real life. I will still choose economy or economy comfort. i will take the business class ticket if they don't ask me to pay more money. :D  This brings up a new topic: the recent game system does not allow overbook tickets even when the aircraft is not full. Maybe we can overbook economy class by taking some passengers in business class if the business class is not fully booked before the take-off. Also, if economy comfort is going to be added ingame, i hope the system takes some business passengers to economy comfort class (like fill in economy comfort before business when the services in business class and economy comfort class do not have too much difference)

The best simulation should not have passengers care about class at all, only about service demands and their own purchasing power ( what tickets they can afford ).

That way one airline can have a very low service level bussiness class that is equal to another luxury airlines economy class and they both compete over the same passengers!! ( with the similar priced tickets )

We would also then see things like First class becomming very popular once the price is put low enough to be almost the same as bussiness, because then all business class passengers can afford these tickets but get much much better service.

One problem holding this back is that you can get score 100 in ORS so easilly. A bussiness class passenger with 100 ORS score for their flight would not even if the system allowed this have any reason to book a first class ticket that offered twice as big seat/bed and vastly superior service for the same ticket price... because 100 is already the maximum.

If there is a solution to this problem that is at all possible performance wise it would be a great leap forward for airlinesim IMHO.

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The best simulation should not have passengers care about class at all, only about service demands and their own purchasing power ( what tickets they can afford ).

That way one airline can have a very low service level bussiness class that is equal to another luxury airlines economy class and they both compete over the same passengers!! ( with the similar priced tickets )

We would also then see things like First class becomming very popular once the price is put low enough to be almost the same as bussiness, because then all business class passengers can afford these tickets but get much much better service.

One problem holding this back is that you can get score 100 in ORS so easilly. A bussiness class passenger with 100 ORS score for their flight would not even if the system allowed this have any reason to book a first class ticket that offered twice as big seat/bed and vastly superior service for the same ticket price... because 100 is already the maximum.

If there is a solution to this problem that is at all possible performance wise it would be a great leap forward for airlinesim IMHO.

My thoughts are based on the recent AS condition, which has separated passengers in separated class. Your idea is really good and more realistic. If this problem can be solved, i believe there will be no problem to operate low cost airlines on AS because it makes everyone can fly. However, achieving this goal has a long way to go for AS. You need to defined the number of people who can pay for certain mount of price in certain market. It won't be an easy work and will totally change the structure of AS.

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I do agree in a perfect world travllers are travellers with 'standards' rather than set classes.  Heck, one of my airlines had empty first class seats which were cheaper than full business.  With only a basic level of programming knowledge, I see that as a big mess though.  You'd almost have to set 10-15 tiers of travellers (with traits such as 'leg room', meals, price on a 1-3 scale on what level they will accept), then have them sift through the options that fit their standards.  I can't imagine that wouldn't eat up some server resources!

The Y+ idea I'm not a huge fan of.  You could create another situation where a traveller will not get on a plane because there is no Y- that fits their needs and leave Y+ seats open, or even a whole different class of traveller to fight over.  I'd rather see a more realistic consumer before adding another aribtrary class.

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I do agree in a perfect world travllers are travellers with 'standards' rather than set classes.  Heck, one of my airlines had empty first class seats which were cheaper than full business.  With only a basic level of programming knowledge, I see that as a big mess though.  You'd almost have to set 10-15 tiers of travellers (with traits such as 'leg room', meals, price on a 1-3 scale on what level they will accept), then have them sift through the options that fit their standards.  I can't imagine that wouldn't eat up some server resources!

We have something like this on our near-term roadmap. But as you already assumed, technical limits have to be kept in mind. Still, something better than the current, static, class-based system has to be found either way.