Hello,
I noticed that one of the aspects of "image" is the seating space. In my case, this is always set at the minimum (1 bar), however, I have the highest class of seats in every category (eco, business, ...). This space doesn't change however. How is this possible, and how can I modify it?
Simply by installing fewer seats in your configuration to leave more space between seats ;)
Simply by installing fewer seats in your configuration to leave more space between seats ;)
... which will reduce your revenue far more than the improved image's value. Seat space is something you can continue to ignore until the new cabin config system roles out.
Some say so - other do not configure the full capacity and are ahead in the ORS in a comparable product ;)
Hi,
I have tested out this feature a few years ago.
Even if you use the cheapest seats in a one class configuration, removing one row of seats in a 73G should give every passenger an extra inch of leg room. When using ecoplus seats, removing one row should give every passenger more than 2 extra inches of leg room. Something like that should give a better ORS rating. Unless the system has been changed, you will find no difference.
Oh, and back then I needed to remove (about) half of the seats to get a second green bar for seat spacing :-)
But I'll try it again and let you know.
Jan
There is nothing changed. But it is a wrong assumption thatthere is "no difference". There is a difference but it is not much ;)
If you can't get full bookings it might be a good way to strengthen the own position as no one else is doing it.
There is nothing changed. But it is a wrong assumption thatthere is "no difference". There is a difference but it is not much ;)
If you can't get full bookings it might be a good way to strengthen the own position as no one else is doing it.
No one said there was no difference. If you can't get full bookings you would be better of flying a smaller plane.
Sometime it doesn't make sense to fly smaler aircraft (missing cargo option; not enough range)
....Unless the system has been changed, you will find no difference.
No one said there was no difference. If you can't get full bookings you would be better of flying a smaller plane.
Yep, they did ;)... Just sayin'
I haven't yet tried altering seat spacing but I suspect if I took out a row it may change my route rating a little, perhaps as small as 1 point which might just be the difference in gaining me more passengers than a close competitor. I'd be surprised if all ORS is at 100, if you're looking at the upper of the two ratings, which I believe is the more critical to look at.
Hi,
what is the maximum difference in seat space you find (in economy) on commercial flights ? Around 5 inches ?
And how much extra leg room would you get on a 73G if you remove one row of seats ? Around one inch ? In that case, removing 5 rows should give you the maximum of 5 green bars. No ?
But the system probably works with percentages. If you use standard seats, one row represents 4% of the seats. If you use Ecoplus seats, one row represents 6%. So let's assume that on average one row of seats equals 5% of the capacity. In that case one should remove 25% of the capacity to get 5 green bars for seat space. Removing 25% of your seats sounds already pretty horrible, doesn't it ?
I had to removed 30% of seat capacity in order to get a second green bar. We're now talking about a 73G that has 46 economy seats :-)
Anyway, let's continue...
Seat spacing is an image factor. So removing seats will not improve the rating of your flight. It will remove the overall image rating of your airline. And the overall image rating of your airline is not even the average image of all your current flights... it is the average of all the flights your airline has done in its history. Even if you remove 10% of your seats in all your planes, it will take ages before you see a marginal effect on your airline image.
And airline image is only one of the product factors that make up your ORS rating.
My conclusion: when you look at mathematics... sure, it works. When you look at game play... forget it. there is no measurable effect.
Jan
Yep, they did ;)... Just sayin'
I haven't yet tried altering seat spacing but I suspect if I took out a row it may change my route rating a little, perhaps as small as 1 point which might just be the difference in gaining me more passengers than a close competitor. I'd be surprised if all ORS is at 100, if you're looking at the upper of the two ratings, which I believe is the more critical to look at.
Whops, my bad.
The lower ORS rating (the overall connection score) is the one that matters. The others (individual flights) are just info on how the sausage was made.
yes, indeed, I phrased it poorly. What I meat was if the lower ORS is equal between competitors, then the upper rating may be the better one to judge how each would be viewed by the passenger. Fine tuning, perhaps. I'm not totally sure if that is how it works but my best guess to gain a small advantage on the competition if the route is that close between each company.
yes, indeed, I phrased it poorly. What I meat was if the lower ORS is equal between competitors, then the upper rating may be the better one to judge how each would be viewed by the passenger.
If the total connection score (not sure what the correct name/term is) is equal, then both flight options are equal. Full stop.
The individual score for the flight matters only in that it is a component of the total score when putting together connections.
OK fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.
p.s. where is this information, I could find nothing in the wiki etc.
Hi,
I have done a little testing... 10 days ago I have replaced every cabin configuration of every plane (Blue Star Lebanon on the Tempelhof server). As a result, all aircraft now use 95% of their seating capacity.
The week before I changed the seats, all planes used 100% (or 99.7%) of their seating capacity. During that week, the airline image changed:
- from 76.97 to 77.27 in economy
Last week, when only 95% of the seating capacity was used, the airline image changed:
- from 77.27 to 77.52 in economy
So removing one row of seats in every plane resulted in a smaller increase (of the airline image) than using the full seating capacity :lol:
At first I thought that did not make sense. After all, removing seats should result in a higher image rating. But the airline in question is only two months old (founded on the 24th of september this year). The first weeks, the airline image jumps up with several percents per week. But gradually, as the airline has done more flights, the new flights that are added every day have less and less impact on the image of your airline.
Mind you, as my subsidiary airline is only two months old, last weeks flights are something like 10% of the total flights my airline has done. If I had done this test one year later, the impact of 1000 flights on an accumulated total of 50.000 flights would even be smaller.
Anyway, I can only assume that the image "boost" I received by removing 5% of the seat capacity in every single plane, is less than the slower growth of my overall airline image.
If someone can repeat the test (or do another test) and prove me wrong, I shall gladly change my mind. But until then my conclusion remains... seat spacing does not work. It is a waste of money for a result that is too small to be measurable.
Jan
PS
will the new cabin editor be introduced on the existing servers ? Anytime soon ? If so, I shall re-install 100% seating configurations after the new system has arrived ;-)
will the new cabin editor be introduced on the existing servers ? Anytime soon ? If so, I shall re-install 100% seating configurations after the new system has arrived ;-)
Yep, we intend to do so, but that will be announced later on. An internal dream is to introduce it some 2 weeks after the launch of the new server, but this depends on how the new system works in the mass.
Thanks Sascha.
In that case I shall wait a few weeks... it would be silly to buy new seats and then replace them again after two weeks ;-)
Jan