I will not changing my fleet at new system , until probelm with the BUG wide-bodies aircraft will be solved. Beceause its a BUG !
737-900ER have 220pax => 150pax Comfort+
777-200ER have 440pax => shoud be 2x more so 300pax Comfort+ , but NO !!! its only 259pax
It is un-fair its BUG !!!
And I proposes that the moderator system , shoud fix it !
Folks, the old seats are history.
Stop trying to compare the new ones with the old ones.
The old ones are irrelevant.
AK.... the old seats are and will not be history for as long as there are thousands of aircraft flying with old seats installed.
I would be 100% PRO to set a time limit for change, or drastically reduce ratings of the old seats, so players are forced to change. If EVERYBODY had new seats (as is the case on aspern) I would have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM whatsoever with it.
I think this new system shoud be fix it first , because now server word will be work much more un-reall
it's not a matter of fair or not, it's live or dead for me: I lost 80% of my pax in almost every single flight after 21/12 noon
In the pass I have an 98% L/F and ~50% of my pax are transit pax. Now I have around 50% left and almost no O&D pax booking.
I have reserve but I can't hold too long......just reset all price to default - 5%, hope this can help
I will not changing my fleet at new system , until probelm with the BUG wide-bodies aircraft will be solved. Beceause its a BUG !
737-900ER have 220pax => 150pax Comfort+
777-200ER have 440pax => shoud be 2x more so 300pax Comfort+ , but NO !!! its only 259pax
It is un-fair its BUG !!!
And I proposes that the moderator system , shoud fix it !
It’s not BUG but simple math.
A ComfortPlus seat fits perfectly into a 737 at 3+2. Consequently it fits rather perfectly into a 788 cabin as 2+3+2.
A 777 has a slightly wider cabin, but just not wide enough to fit an additional seat.
When I do the math with the resulting dimensions, I get 256.7 ComfortPlus seats for a 777.
Again, blame it on the fixed seat dimensions. The ComfortPlus fits perfectly into a 737/747/787 cabin, not into an Airbus A300, 767 or 777.
You can’t have a seat for each cabin width in the game. That’s why I’m asking for a variable seat rating that takes cabin width into account.
Well, If it is not BUG , this clue is terrible wrong and it have to fix it .
I have a problem because my fleet work major at widebodies A300 A330 A380 B777
This clue maby is more real , but only at paper not in practice !
Again see this:
B787-8 I 381pax => 245pax comfort+
A330-2 I 406pax => 222pax comfort+ , it something wrong !!! it less than 787 evan A330 has bigger capasity .
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Now noone will be use A300 A330 etc , because 787 have got better stuffed of seats . That same will be work at narrowbodies an widebodies. Now you will see much more 737 using ultra long destination.
I am only saing , this new system is wrong , underdeveloped , confusing , and make more profitable narrowbodies to in fact result is unreal world!!!
Are the creators of may formally comment of this and about possible changes ??
Again, there’s nothing wrong with the system technically.
That’s the result of only having 16 seats with fixed dimensions.
There must be winners and losers in such a system. The Airbus standard fuselage or a 767 is too narrow for a ComfortPlus.
The team could either compensate this by offering a more differentiated rating system or by offering more seats (like ComfortPlus Airbus vs. ComfortPlus Boeing etc…) with individual ratings.
Again, there's nothing wrong with the system technically.
Hi,
technically, the operation was perfect. Unfortunately the patient died.
They could make some seats a little bit narrower. Narrow enough so they fit in a 767 and A330 but not narrow enough so you can fit an extra one in a Boeing. But that may prove to be tricky if in the future a new plane comes on the market with different dimensions.
They could also tweak the dimensions of the unlucky planes. Make them a little wider but shorter... wide enough so you can install the correct number of seats, short enough that you cannot install too many rows.
And like you say, they can add a seat type that fits in an airbus but cannot be abused in a Boeing.
A simple solution would be to give a high rating to planes with wide aisles :D
But it is easy for us to come up with suggestions... we are not confronted with the complexity of changing suggestions into workable solutions.
I understand the new cabin editor is not perfect. What I miss, is communication. Will they adapt the system ? Or do we have to look for a seat that does fit ?
In my case, I have noticed that the suites fit perfectly in my 767's, and some testing has shown that business passengers don't mind paying through the nose for a first class suite ;-)
You know what is strange/funny ? In the past, the best plane was the plane that was most fuel efficient and not to expensive to lease. Now, the best plane is the plane that can accommodate the correct number of seats.
@smoku
If you are not fanatic about realism, find the seat that fits best in your aircraft. Use that seat and set the pricing accordingly. Mind you, don't use suites in economy because the maximum price you can ask is default + 100%. You also run the risk that AS comes up with a solution, and that you have to spend money on new seats.
Jan
Maybe we should add an option for seat width for economy seats. Have 16, 17 and 18 inches which would add a bonus to the overall rating of the seat.
Maybe we should add an option for seat width for economy seats. Have 16, 17 and 18 inches which would add a bonus to the overall rating of the seat.
I had an automatic rating calculation in mind, but your idea actually sounds great and simple.
We already can add seat pitch,so why not add another field to alter seat width to enhance rating. That may not sound extremely realistic but is a feasible solution to the problem.
Great idea!
There must be winners and losers in such a system. The Airbus standard fuselage or a 767 is too narrow for a ComfortPlus.
Well, you're ridiculous , it is a some contest ??? If you interested only to by nicely shown ....
This new system mayby is more realistic but not in practice !! Don t you udersand ? Now people will use much more norrow bodies in long range destinty. Because this system favors it.
In real world every seats are produce for a particular model aircraft , that there is no such situation in here.
What I really think as STRANGE is that there are three (English) threads gong on discussing the new seats and cabin configuration tool and ORS ratings for older seats being unduly high, but in the last 5 or so days we have heard NOTHING from AS proper about this topic!
Sure, as most of us are on christmas holidays too and we have an open discussion about this in the internal without a decission right now.
Fair enough
It's better always to (communicate) and say there is nothing new to report, than not report (say) anything at all....
In order words... always better to say what (sk just said) than be silent and not say anything. At least we (the players/customers) know that AS is not ignoring our thoughts and ponderings, even if they have no particular reply to our concerns yet...
Well, you're ridiculous , it is a some contest ??? If you interested only to by nicely shown ....
This new system mayby is more realistic but not in practice !! Don t you udersand ? Now people will use much more norrow bodies in long range destinty. Because this system favors it.
In real world every seats are produce for a particular model aircraft , that there is no such situation in here.
The only thing I admittedly barely understand is your English.
As for the rest, I think I perfectly do. But you apparently fail to understand my point.
As you prefer to call me ridiculous, I better no longer waste my time reading your posts.
And ... once again :( please stick to the netiquette ;)
Nothing more is ridicolous than calling other ridicolous :P
And ... once again :( please stick to the netiquette ;)
Nothing more is ridicolous than calling other ridicolous :P
I always loved a good flamewar about nullities from time to time on other forums. It only needed a vital spark and you could pull out the barstool, a good drink and popcorn to have an entertaining evening.
:D
As we have your attention, sk, any word on the suggestions in this thread (posts #29 and 30) ?
Would be easy to do I think.
Look, I'm trying to keep the same amount of seats in my 787's (Comfort for Y, Full Bed for C and Private Suite for F), but Comfort rating is just ridiculous. It should be mandatory to change seats to the new system with a deadline or some kind of big punishment on rating for keeping old system active.
Economy Plus, from the old system, still gives me a rating of 100, but Comfort is giving me a rating of 72!* If other airlines don’t change, I can’t change it too! Comfort Plus is just too big for the aircraft, I can’t use it.
*I’m testing on GRU-JFK and GIG-MAD, both with 788, but flights with the new seats are just terrible, my rating is ridiculous.