Cash is flowing in and I guess it is time to upgrade my image of my airline. That means time to get rid of those blasted, but lovely, DC-8’s. So what would be a great replacement for them? I was thinking of changing over to a mix of Airbus and Boeing long haul (already have the 788). So what would you suggest as I’m playing on Quimby and it is a test out for when I expand Long Haul on Riem.
Thanks in advance for any constructive dialogue.
Are you talking about PVD airways and a fleet of 15 a/c?
Beside of the fact that long-haul requires a good feeder network (more than 15 a/c), I think long-haul business in Quimby can't be compared to what you will see on Riem.
Finally, Quimby will only last for another 2 1/2 week, a very short time to get an understanding of long-haul flights.
Are you talking about PVD airways and a fleet of 15 a/c?
<Thanks for the comment. But sadly PVDairways isn’t the airline I am talking about. and PVDairways has more than 15 DC-8’s it has 41.>
Beside of the fact that long-haul requires a good feeder network (more than 15 a/c), I think long-haul business in Quimby can’t be compared to what you will see on Riem.
Finally, Quimby will only last for another 2 1/2 week, a very short time to get an understanding of long-haul flights.
While I understand you don’t feel that Quimby can compare to Riem, I’m asking about Quimby to practice on. Also, while you think 2 and 1/2 weeks is a very short time to get an understanding of long-haul flights it is better than no understanding at all. Could we focus on constructive suggestions on replacement of aircraft for the DC-8 to test out on Quimby.
“Something constructive like flights under 9,500KM, I would choose A330 because, etc…”
I’m not looking for comments like, are you talking about this airline? You know that you need more than this number of aircraft and I don’t think you have enough time. Non of that is constructive nor did it address the reason for the post.
Sorry for not being constructive. It was meant to save your time and prevent receiving flawed experiences.
As with everything in AS, the choice on the right a/c-type depends on where you are, what you are going for and how the market looks like. For many cases the 788 is a good choice, as it provides a reasonable compromise in size and performance. But if you are able to fill 747-8 or A380 they can be an option as well. If you are able to service the envisaged routes with 737 or Airbus narrow-bodies and don't necessarily need wide-bodies, this might be a good option as well. (Again depending on the size you want to develop this individual airline to.
It further depends on the availability of used aircraft that might be a good choice to save leasing costs. But I am not able to foresee whether there are e.g. enough 767-300 ER available in some months on Riem for a good price.
Sorry for not being constructive. It was meant to save your time and prevent receiving flawed experiences.
As with everything in AS, the choice on the right a/c-type depends on where you are, what you are going for and how the market looks like. For many cases the 788 is a good choice, as it provides a reasonable compromise in size and performance. But if you are able to fill 747-8 or A380 they can be an option as well. If you are able to service the envisaged routes with 737 or Airbus narrow-bodies and don’t necessarily need wide-bodies, this might be a good option as well. (Again depending on the size you want to develop this individual airline to.
It further depends on the availability of used aircraft that might be a good choice to save leasing costs. But I am not able to foresee whether there are e.g. enough 767-300 ER available in some months on Riem for a good price.
Thanks FlyHigher and I’m sorry if I sounded like a jerk. It is just that since Quimby is a test server I don’t mind making 1,000’s of mistakes, so I can avoid those mistakes on Riem. As I plan on testing out the 737 for Trans-Atlantic service on Riem based on my experience on Quimby it should work out. However, with all the widebody choices it is just too much. So would you suggest I try out the 767-300ER to test out on Quimby. How do you think they would do on ORD-LHR, or ORD-FRA?
The financial performance of the 767-300ER much depends on the current fuel price and to some extend to available used aircraft. While I managed to make them profitable in parts of my network, I know, that many others, including me, decided not to use them in other situations.
For many transatlantic flights one reasonable option to start with are regular 737-900 ER HGW (winglets). While this might look boring, they are just easier to fill (for system reasons) and you may change to a wide-body later on.
If you want to test a wide-body for the sake of testing it, I would rather use the 788 as it is probably the most common choice. I think the crucial part of this is to recognize that there are many levels of decision making when you go for a long-haul aircraft (market, feeders at O and D, slots, used market, fuel price, available cash, your willingness to change your fleet later on and how those changes fit into your schedule and available slots ...)
Cash is flowing in and I guess it is time to upgrade my image of my airline. That means time to get rid of those blasted, but lovely, DC-8's. So what would be a great replacement for them? I was thinking of changing over to a mix of Airbus and Boeing long haul (already have the 788). So what would you suggest as I'm playing on Quimby and it is a test out for when I expand Long Haul on Riem.
Thanks in advance for any constructive dialogue.
Long haul is subjective...
You can fly a AN-148E works for me on quite the long mission. PTY-PDX is an example. Maybe try it out?
On a serious note, 737-900ER-HGW Winglets and 788 are your friends. A350............................................we'll see...........................but it can't be any worse than 777-200ER and 787-9 so I'd buy one just to test it out.
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how long is the long haul you want to fly?
up to 5,000km you can replace the DC8 with Boeing 737-900ER HGW for one to one seat count.
farther than 5,000km, Boeing 787-8 is the best, quite a larger aircraft but you need the space anyway to put better seat.
mixing your fleet with more than 3 aircraft type will impact your maintenance cost, so stick with 3 type unless you can justify the cost.
during my time in Quimby, my fleet consist of IL18, DC8, B787. All lucky 8s :D.
If you really wanted to play long haul in Riem, you can't afford to lose precious time to market. With every day goes by in the battlefield, your competitor continue securing priceless slots, innocent passengers, connection time opportunity. The beauty of the initial stage is you can always reset when you make mistake and voila your 10 million cash is back in one piece. So, again, if you plan to play in Riem, the best time to start is NOW. 2,5 weeks from now your Riem competitor might already deploy their first long haul route, all with high flying green ORS rating while you still need to grow single green rating short haul connection.
DON'T WAIT, JOIN NOW!
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... it can't be any worse than .. 787-9...
And that’s why?
And that's why?
The 787-9 is supposed to have a better CASM than the 787-8, but it doesn't in the game:
In fact thats the reason United has probably converted their remaining 788 to 789/10.
Aircraft typeFlights per weekAvailable seatsFuelAircraft HandlingATCLanding FeesMaintenanceCapital costCrewFixed costs totalper seat50%60%70%80%90%100%Boeing 787-810.0036029,6713803,9861,63510,94663,5003,020113,138314 AS$-42,218(-58%)-28,034(-32%)-13,850(-14%)334(0%)14,518(11%)28,702(20%)Boeing 787-910.0041433,6636504,1741,78913,09473,5003,198130,068314 AS$-48,510(-58%)-32,356(-32%)-16,202(-14%)346(0%)16,500(11%)33,048(20%)
My point is that an A350-900 should be more realistic and have a better CASM than the 777-200ER and 787-9 which it is similarly sized (ok 440 vs 414)!
I am using the 787-9 rarely, as I agree with dalexan, that it doesn't really show a good performance on many routes. But that is to some extend relating to the additional turnaround time. So if you cycle a 787-9 on a relation that doesn't interfere with the additional turnaround time and is showing enough demand, the 787-9 may show better results.
Thanks for all the great advice. I got a 777-300 to try out on a LH route. I’ll check back and tell you how it is coming along.
As to Riem, I’m already on the server and I’ll be deploying my first LH route next week. Right now I’m in a city that is totally open. I’ll be the first airline to offer LH service.