Hi,
Being a proponent of one-stop flights on long haul, I am suggesting that parent companies be given traffic rights to and from their subsidiary hubs only on VIA flights. For example Alpha Airlines is based out of LHR and have a subsidiary Beta Airlines in DOH. Now if Alpha flight 701 is flying from LHR-Sydney, it should be able to make a stop at Doha and drop and pick new passengers. It would just make future versions of the game more interesting.
Thanks.
Does this happen in the real world?
I'm pretty sure this does operate in the real world I think LAN does this currently with many of its subsidiary throughout South America.
Does this happen in the real world?
There were for example agreements in the past between two countries which allowed "full traffic rights". Long hauls in the 1970s and 1980s sometimes needed these rights to make their business viable while they flew with five stops from Europe to Australia or Japan etc..
There are many additional exmaples.
Hi,
Being a proponent of one-stop flights on long haul, I am suggesting that parent companies be given traffic rights to and from their subsidiary hubs only on VIA flights. For example Alpha Airlines is based out of LHR and have a subsidiary Beta Airlines in DOH. Now if Alpha flight 701 is flying from LHR-Sydney, it should be able to make a stop at Doha and drop and pick new passengers. It would just make future versions of the game more interesting.
Thanks.
I might be misunderstanding, but with DOH having unrestricted access, if you are flying from LHR-SYD if you made a stop in DOH, wouldnt you be able to have pax board your plane?
Shawn
I might be misunderstanding, but with DOH having unrestricted access, if you are flying from LHR-SYD if you made a stop in DOH, wouldnt you be able to have pax board your plane?
Shawn
I don't thinks so because unrestricted traffic rights only applies when wanting to open a new subsidiary in another country. eg a Holding or subsidiary based in the USA can't start internal/domestic flights in a country with unrestricted traffic rights (Qatar) however if that airline started a new subsidiary with its head office in Qatar it could start internal/domestic flights in Qatar.
Why not do it this way. Alpha Air in LHR opens a subsidiary Beta Air in DOH and asset transfers its aircraft to Beta Air. Beta Air now flies DOH-LHR and DOH-SYD.
I don't thinks so because unrestricted traffic rights only applies when wanting to open a new subsidiary in another country. eg a Holding or subsidiary based in the USA can't start internal/domestic flights in a country with unrestricted traffic rights (Qatar) however if that airline started a new subsidiary with its head office in Qatar it could start internal/domestic flights in Qatar.
I think that it should be allowed. isnt it allowed in real life?
Why not do it this way. Alpha Air in LHR opens a subsidiary Beta Air in DOH and asset transfers its aircraft to Beta Air. Beta Air now flies DOH-LHR and DOH-SYD.
Yeah that would work, then after a few weeks conduct an IPO and the parent can get paid.
So actualy in the game, it is not possible to fly like Qantas does in real world? Fly SYD/MEL - DUB - LHR or like to go to SIN.
So it's not possible to fly SYD - LHR with stop-over.
It is possible, but you only have passenger rights from Australia to LHR - no rights for direct ticket sell DXB-LHR.
In the recent past, PIA has been flying multistop routes such as KHI-MAN-JFK, KHI-BCN-ORD, KHI-IST-AMS with 5th freedom traffic rights on all routes. Cathay Pacific currently operate KHI-BKK-HKG, Thai Airways BKK-KHI-MCT and offer fares on all sectors. Malaysia Airlines used to fly KUL-KHI-DXB till last year with 5th freedom. Lufthansa used to fly FRA-DXB/AUH/BAH-KHI and FRA-KHI-KTM with traffic rights on all sectors. The same was true i the past for Swissair KHI-DXB-ZRH, and Turkish Airlines KHI-AUH/DXB-IST and till last year IST-KHI-DAC.
The same is true for Emirates today especially with its flights to and from Africa. Emirates has announced to start DXB-MXP-JFK this year, again with 5th freedom rights on all sectors. I am just suggesting that if such an option were made available ingame through the subsidiary hub, things would get more interesting.
Thanks.
Alright. This game is built with simple concept which they do not want to get it complicated. There are a lot more traffic rights in the real world but it will just make this game complicated.
Check this link and you will understand. http://en.airlinesim.aero/wiki/index.php/Tutorial/1.5/Expert_Knowledge/Traffic_Rights
:)
Of course I have been playing this for a few years and I know what you mean, but since this forum was expressly asking for new ideas, I pitched in my 2 cents as well where I felt an improvement could be made. No one is saying it has to be done. But perhaps in the future...
Of course I have been playing this for a few years and I know what you mean, but since this forum was expressly asking for new ideas, I pitched in my 2 cents as well where I felt an improvement could be made. No one is saying it has to be done. But perhaps in the future...
Pretty much support with your idea. But, it may be a chance for cheating in which every airline will come out with subsidiaries so that they can gain traffic rights in the unrestricted nations.
Pretty much support with your idea. But, it may be a chance for cheating in which every airline will come out with subsidiaries so that they can gain traffic rights in the unrestricted nations.
And also, if you have a sub in DOH why don't you just use that sub to fly LHR-DOH-SYD?
Sorry to bring up an old subject but i have a question. Currently can an airline operate say DXB-SYD-AKL and actually pick up passengers if they are all interlining from another airline e.g an ozzie airline operates Canberra-Sydney and passengers off that flight transfer onto my Sydney to Auckland leg or is that still not going to happen?
Nope you cannot pick up those passengers, on SYD-AKL, even if they are coming from interline partner. However, on return trip you can pick up both SYD-DXB and AKL-DXB via SYD, both directly booked pax and pax coming from your interline partner.
In theory you can also schedule via Flights to another airport and connect your passengers away from your base even if you don't have local traffic rights.
For example you can do:
LHR-DOH-SYD
MAN-DOH-MEL
BHX-DOH-BNE
STN-DOH-AKL
and so on and use Doha to interchange your passengers among your own flights mind you that you won't be able to pick up new passengers at Doha.
In real life Brussels sees multiple Jet Airways flights from India a day which use Brussels for the same purpose. Apart from that I believe they have additional traffic rights to the USA from Brussel which makes this option a good one for them