Traffic rights / Scissor Hub

I have a question regarding traffic rights on connecting flights. Some time ago the "scissor hub" concept was introduced in AS which allows passengers to connect to a flight leg where the operating airline has no traffic rights, provided the passenger originates in the airline's home country.

Now I see something strange one one Server: There is an airline which is based in a country which is a member of the EU treaty. Normally this would allow this airline to operate freely within the EU treaty area, but operate flights to other areas (e.g. intercontinental flights) only from it's home country. But this airline operates intercontinental flights from other countries, and they do get booked. Why?

The only explanation I have is that this has to do with the scissor hub functionality. So if all these passengers originate in the airline's home country there would obviously be traffic rights. But the home country is rather small (i.e. has not many larger airports where the passengers could originate from), and the aircraft for the intercontinental flights are quite big (I have seen Dreamliners that were booked solid). So I can only assume that a large amount of the passengers is originating in other countries, probably within the EU.

Can this be right? Could I really set up an airline in (for example) Luxembourg, create up a scissor hub in Dublin and then feed my transatlantic flights from DUB with passengers from anywhere in the EU?

We got several reports about this. At the moment we are investigating into this. It shouldn't be possible.

I have a question regarding traffic rights on connecting flights. Some time ago the "scissor hub" concept was introduced in AS which allows passengers to connect to a flight leg where the operating airline has no traffic rights, provided the passenger originates in the airline's home country.

 

Now I see something strange one one Server: There is an airline which is based in a country which is a member of the EU treaty. Normally this would allow this airline to operate freely within the EU treaty area, but operate flights to other areas (e.g. intercontinental flights) only from it’s home country. But this airline operates intercontinental flights from other countries, and they do get booked. Why?

 

The only explanation I have is that this has to do with the scissor hub functionality. So if all these passengers originate in the airline’s home country there would obviously be traffic rights. But the home country is rather small (i.e. has not many larger airports where the passengers could originate from), and the aircraft for the intercontinental flights are quite big (I have seen Dreamliners that were booked solid). So I can only assume that a large amount of the passengers is originating in other countries, probably within the EU.

 

Can this be right? Could I really set up an airline in (for example) Luxembourg, create up a scissor hub in Dublin and then feed my transatlantic flights from DUB with passengers from anywhere in the EU?

I am a player in the European market on Stapleton and I do not see an obvious cheater. Who is it?

I'm not saying that it's a cheat, just asking if it's a feature or a bug. And I will certainly not give a name here.

You shouldn't give a name here, but maybe to the support. This is definetely not a feature. I wouldn't call this cheating either but a bug. Using it is not allowed and at least experienced players should know this and should have reported this. We will check this of course.

Well it works with transfer passengers. I have an airline in the EU and offer flights from LCY to SVO … And have a german holding. Flights are booked well, but all of them are transfer passengers … However, it is a small Antonov, a bigget aircraft wouldnt work.

You shouldn't give a name here, but maybe to the support. This is definetely not a feature. I wouldn't call this cheating either but a bug. Using it is not allowed and at least experienced players should know this and should have reported this. We will check this of course.

I thought you’re very well aware of this issue since this is not the first thread concerning it.

And I’d have thought somebody had reported it years ago already - or at least back in September http://community.airlinesim.aero/topic/7297-eu-to-non-eu-traffic-rights/

You are right, that is exactly the same case. I didn't notice that thread in September, so I wasn't aware that the problem had already been discussed.

I am a player in the European market on Stapleton and I do not see an obvious cheater. Who is it?

Take a look at flights from Cairo. The destinations provided by some airline from Cairo are strange. a wide body aircraft is even used on one route. I really doubt the number of passengers taking flights to one country via another country.