Hi,
any news on when the other servers will be updated with the new seating structures and performance data.
I really hope that the new performance data is bought into the current servers- It is time the a319 had a chance against the 737-700
Our intention is to bring the update within the next days/week. Content of the update will be announced too before the update will happen...
OK cool!
And before any one complains- I have a huge fleet of 737-700 aswell and understand it will take some adjusting to- however I think it is best for the game for the imbalance to be fixed!
I welcome the fact, that the A320-family is now competitive with the 737s. I already started to replace some 737 by aircraft of the A320-family on one of my airlines in preparation for the update. So I hope, it will come soon ;).
You did a great job on the new server! So don´t let the other servers wait too long ;).
Kind regards
Loup
Hi SK,
In terms of when the new seating editor is introduced into older game worlds (I assume it will be?) Is there going to be some solution for those already on the server having to change their seats?
Let me explain. With a mailine fleet of 240 odd aircraft, with the current configs I use it would cost be about 22miliionAS to replace all the seats in my fleet. Now admiditly with the new config editor the price will depend on the actual seat used. To remain competitive I will have to change every seat in my fleet, but I don't think those already on a server should have to foot the full bill of the config, as this is a change that has been changed by AS since the begininning of the gameworld. Is there any possibility we could have a system where we get a refund for our old seats for a limited time as so already on the server airlines can remain competitive with those just joining?
Thanks
Ian
That was already answered somewhere else ... the old seating configuration will be refunded.
Ah thank you. Sorry missed that part :)
No problem ;)
That was already answered somewhere else ... the old seating configuration will be refunded.
Hi sk,
I'm looking for more info about this, but I searched and can't find where it's been answered. Can you link to it please.
Will we "have" to change the cabin config of our fleet on existing servers, or can we leave it if we are happy with it?
Will the ORS calculation work exactly the same way? So for example, if I do nothing to my configuration after the update, will my flights have exactly the same ORS score?
The reason I ask, is that I tried a similar config to one I use on Devau. I know the gameworlds are not the same, but selecting an aircraft of the same popularity, same value seat config, and same price saw a different result on Aspern. The rating for the "price" in the flight calculation dropped by 2 bars - terminals and route were the same, and the image was actually better on Aspern. So it seems that there are other differences to the algorithm for the ORS than just those from the seat configurator.
One effect of this is it makes it harder to get a "99" score. If this were applied to the Devau (and I suppose the other gameworlds), then the game changes considerably. It seems like the effect would be to make a wider distribution at the top end of the rating. So where a busy route is filled with established players maxing a 99/100 score in the ORS - this would change. Weaker "99" scores will lose points and there will be a greater differential between the higher rated flights. Am I understanding this correctly? Or will the logic of the other gameworlds otherwise be the same as it is at the moment?
Thanks
David
Hi David,
From what I remember is that the old seating configs will be less desirable for the passengers than the new configs
Ian
You don't have to change, but you can not assign an old seating config nor change the old configuration after the launch of the new config editor.
The rating for the current seats will be adjusted to fit into the new seats. This is mandatory to create a balance for the old and new seats. And there should be no advantage or disadvantage for the airlines as this is effecting all airlines in the same way.
Ok thanks. Will be interesting to see if/how it changes the game on the older gameworlds.
... selecting an aircraft of the same popularity, same value seat config, and same price saw a different result on Aspern. The rating for the "price" in the flight calculation dropped by 2 bars - terminals and route were the same, and the image was actually better on Aspern. So it seems that there are other differences to the algorithm for the ORS than just those from the seat configurator.
Hi David,
when you start a new airline, your overall airline image is one (1). It would be strange that your old airline has a lower image (unless perhaps if you only use crappy old planes). If your airline on Devau has an airline image of 70, it will surely have an effect on your rating. Once you start flying, you start gaining image "points". An extra flight attendant and good staff mood will further increase your airline image.
The new seats may result in different ratings. That I don't know. But I know for sure that ORS ratings are considerably lower when you just start an airline; and that is because of your non-existant airline image.
Jan
Hi Jan,
I agree that a new airline has a zero image. But after your first flight it will change to that of the first flight, and thereafter the change in image becomes ever slower. So after the first flight the image on Aspern was 63, slightly higher than the image I run on Devau. The flights that enter the ORS after this will pick up a much better score, and its this score I was using to compare.
So my test was this:
5 bar popularity narrow body jet, same number of seats, same price, same route. Of course you cannot exactly compare the seat types because of the new configurator.
On Devau this flight will attract an ORS score of between 96-99 depending on the airline image.
On Aspern with an image of 63 the ORS score was 82.
That's a big difference, isn't it?
SK is saying that it affects everybody equally, so there is no advantage or disadvantage.
I'm not sure I completely agree. If I am trying to compete on a busy route and my competitors have maxed it out with flights at 99, there is not a huge amount to play for. However, if that changes to everything around 80-90 then I can adjust my flights and take an advantage.
So there might be some new opportunities on the older gameworlds. I guess it depends how you play the game as to whether you'll welcome that or not, but it could be interesting.
The other possibility is there are other factors in Aspern that affect the ORS score that won't apply to the other gameworlds. I guess we'll find out soon enough!
David
The other possibility is there are other factors in Aspern that affect the ORS score that won't apply to the other gameworlds. I guess we'll find out soon enough!
This is definitely true. Aspern is almost like AS 2.0 in that it has several changes that really shake the ORS system up.
For instance, the other game worlds have had the same seats, configurations, planes, and fees as everyone else. You can go onto Devau, get a plane with a certain configuration, fly a certain route, and make the same amount of money if you did the exact same thing on Fornebu or Pearls or whatever. You'd end up with the same ORS rating in any case.
Aspern uses completely new seating names, costs, and setups that no one really has a great grasp of yet. People are getting the idea, but it won't be common knowledge for a while yet. It's also quite possible that Aspern has certain factors built in to its scripts and coding to keep companies from easily reaching a 99 ORS rating to create a more long-term competitive market.
... 5 bar popularity narrow body jet, same number of seats, same price, same route. Of course you cannot exactly compare the seat types because of the new configurator.On Devau this flight will attract an ORS score of between 96-99 depending on the airline image.
On Aspern with an image of 63 the ORS score was 82.
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Hi David,
the difference is indeed big. And if your overall airline rating is better on Aspern, I agree that the difference is probably caused by the seats. I guess that you also offer the same on-board service.
If I understand you correctly, a similar new seat gets a lower rating. And with similar I mean a seat that takes up (more or less) the same space, as your planes have the same number of seats. If that is true for all seat types, it means we shall all make a little less profit if we want a high ORS rating. If the rating is different for different seat types (read: seat sizes) then it will become more interesting/profitable to use a specific type of seat.
By the way, are the extra's already available ? I believe it will be possible to add in-flight entertainment or other extras to certain types of seats. If a certain seat gives you a 5 bar rating (on a certain distance) if all the extras are installed, I imagine that same seat will give you a lower rating without these extras.
Jan
This is definitely true. Aspern is almost like AS 2.0 in that it has several changes that really shake the ORS system up.
For instance, the other game worlds have had the same seats, configurations, planes, and fees as everyone else. You can go onto Devau, get a plane with a certain configuration, fly a certain route, and make the same amount of money if you did the exact same thing on Fornebu or Pearls or whatever. You'd end up with the same ORS rating in any case.
This is my experience too. It makes Aspern a very different proposition.
So what I don't know, is if apart from the seats, the older gameworlds will play the same way once they are updated. I guess we'll find out.
By the way, are the extra's already available ? I believe it will be possible to add in-flight entertainment or other extras to certain types of seats. If a certain seat gives you a 5 bar rating (on a certain distance) if all the extras are installed, I imagine that same seat will give you a lower rating without these extras.
I'm sure there are some new items available in the service menu, but I could be mistaken. I don't see anything seat specific - just the established options based on distance.
The fix to 737bgw and 739ER fuel burn is presumably an increase? Is so how much of an increase in fuel burn is it?
Should I place orders for A320 already being operator of a few hundred 737s?
The 320s and 737s will be somehow compareable. I don't think it is necessary to order 320 now to replace the 737...
How much is the fuel burn going up on the 737-700BGW?