Why high demand only in econony class?

Hi...

very often, in the recent period, i see that in my flights there is an high demand only for economy class.

For example, i have 2 flights from amsterdam to mexico city and to benjin, both airports have  high demand and i offer a 787 airplane with Comfort seat in economy  (every full) and Lie-Flat 160 in business (on ly 30/40% of load)...Why?

I thinked that there is to high difference  between the two class prices and i may encrease the price for economy but....i don't know if it's correct...

Any idea?

Looking at the statistics page, I would say, there are too many C seats on the market. Maybe your C isn’t good enough to still book full in a competitive market.

Hi...

very often, in the recent period, i see that in my flights there is an high demand only for economy class.

For example, i have 2 flights from amsterdam to mexico city and to benjin, both airports have high demand and i offer a 787 airplane with Comfort seat in economy (every full) and Lie-Flat 160 in business (on ly 30/40% of load)…Why?

I thinked that there is to high difference between the two class prices and i may encrease the price for economy but…i don’t know if it’s correct…

Any idea?


What’s your ticket price?

A Lie-Flat 160 consumes 2.64x the cabin space of Comfort in the 788.

AS presets the bizz-price standard to 3x that of eco.

So, costs for inflight service withstanding, you have higher margins in bizz than in eco if you demand standard prices, meaning you could lower your bizz price more in relation to standard pricing.

As Yukawa said, you simply might have a “bad” product the way you offer it.

Lower bizz-price or increase qualiry/service levels.

Do you have enough bizz-seats in your feeder flights?

Whot do you meen for C seat?

Well...i offerr a good QOS and my bar in the ratio are all gree...and, in other, i have 3 or 4 bars " Price performance ratio* 9.png "

I'tried to decrease the price about other airlines (i don't matter if i've no profit it's only for test) and schelude flights in diferent time respect other players, i've check in slot page which is the best time to arrive and i've set it...but no result...Benjin can't not have enough demand for business class..

Whats is wrong?

Rating value for flights, in this case is flight from Amsterdam to Los Angelese, where i've 100% in economy and only 40 in business.

In other flights, however, the rating is the same

C refers to a booking class and means business here. (Y usually refers to eco, F to first)

And can you name a route in particular? Makes it easier to give possible explanations

Edit: looks like you justgdid :wink:

So, on the route AMS - LAX, there is a lot ofgcompetition. Eventhough your rating is good, there are connections with also very good rating, some even better.

also, longhaul requires good networks. You only offer some 900 weekly deps in AMS and your partner in LAX isn’t doing any better (650). In an environment with too many C seats available, that easily leaves your plane half empty. Particularly in a market with a dropping AGEX.

yep..infact i'm waiting for an answer of interlining contract in lax, and mexico.

Only 900 flights from AMS is true..but i'm the major arlines in shipol.

I could increase flights but i'm changing my airplanes to increae my image ad prefer do it now at the moment.

I usa i've lot of good interlning contract...i hope to sign now contract in mexico and lax

P.S.

In Lax i've a intl.contr with PACIFIC JET tath operate 1600 flights

C refers to a booking class and means business here. (Y usually refers to eco, F to first)

And can you name a route in particular? Makes it easier to give possible explanations

Edit: looks like you justgdid :wink:

Yep it's new but, i've already tried some times ago..but with bad result. Tha same is happend wiht narita...infact i've close the office

P.S.

Where are the stistics for seat demand?

thank in advance...and Thank you for your patience

There is no data available on actual demand. If you click on statistics, it gives the global capacity, thou. Looks too me like there is a lot of C available.

ok..thanks....i'll create a new cabin conf

That’s not nneccessarily what I said. I merely pointed out, that in my experience, the globally available number of C seats compared to all seats is high.

That's not nneccessarily what I said. I merely pointed out, that in my experience, the globally available number of C seats compared to all seats is high.

It seems that it is 17% of all seats in C. That seems reasonable...

Another problem may be that you have flights spread all over, I copied and sorted your departure and arrival times (from/to AMS) and I was not able to find any sort of meaningful waves, maybe besides the one at 4 am and 10-12 am departures. But then, you do not have arrivals in good times to support those departure banks/waves.

For so few departures per week as you have (900) and with the flights spread across all times of day you will not be able to do any meaningful long haul. Competitors will have better connection times. Doing ad-hoc flying and any departure times works at server start but is a wrong strategy. You should redo your route network (slots are not a problem on Quimby).

My strategy would be to start with 3 to 4 banks per day (spread evenly 8 - 6 hours respectively), check your average stage length, multiply by 2 and add turnaround and minimum connection time, and see where you fit, whether you can do 6 hour or 8 hour round trips Again remember to leave sufficient time for the connection time till the next departure bank

e.g. |---OUTBOUND FLIGHT---||----TURNAROUND----||---RETURN FLIGHT---||---MINIMUM CONNECTION TIME----| should fill within either 6 or 8 hour RT block.

You will need to play with flights for the best scheduling and maintenance ratio. Sometimes it will mean 1 hour waste-time at your hub (to fit arrival time close to the limit of connection time for making connection), sometimes it will mean having a 2-hour maintenance break at your outstation, sometimes it will mean having an earlier arrival time (meaning immediate return from your destination back to your hub) and that flight having a longer connection time, etc.

What I can assure you that there are concepts, but scheduling each and every plane is individual thingy, it's a tradeoff between lowest maintenance ratio and short connection times. You will need to think, and analyze each and every route you are scheduling for that very plane, and compare to the maintenance ratio, waste time, utilization, and connection times. On one plane a trip to a destination X may require a maintenance window at the destination, but on a different plane flying the same route at a different time, you will maybe need to forgo the lowest connection time and return the plane back to hub to take maintenance there. On another plane maybe you will need to cross the bank/wave-time hour in order not to have waste time in hub (by a waste time I mean the time the plane is on a ground but is not doing maintenance - the white spaces in flight schedule).

Scheduling is one of the most crucial aspects of playing Airlinesim. Everybody's tendency is to start by just scheduling flights to all places they can think of without any kind of strategy etc.As time goes by you will perfect yourself in scheduling. Just a few months ago my scheduling skills were mediocre. With each new airline I start I am getting better at that. Recently I had luck that my first airline I started (the first that took to prosper) I was able to reschedule and improve scheduling after my competitor left the game and left me 50% of slots free. I basically started from scratch and rescheduled better. Now with AGEX at low 700's (on Tempelhof) I am not even noticing a drop in revenue. And I fly with the seats I that are just average for the given travel class, on all domestic routes with that airline, with having planes virtually full! The power of good scheduling.

One last piece of advise I will give you: Try to schedule flights to similar bar-value airports (e.g. 7 bars, 8 bars etc.) on the same plane. Try not to schedule a flight to a 9-bar airport and a 4-bar airport on the same plane. While maybe at the present time with high AGEX all the flights are filling up, at times with low AGEX you will thank me, when you will have half of the flights on a plane doing a 9-bar trunk route full, and flights doing 4-bar feeder with a 50% load factor. There, it will not be easy to just switch planes or seating, as you would be forgoing a large portion of passengers on a trunk route when switching to a smaller plane. So keep your routes/destinations uniform on a specific plane, do not go for more than a 1-bar difference in airports (e.g. 9 bars and 8 bars, 6 bars and 5 bars, etc.) when scheduling a particular plane.

Hope this helps.

Wow...many many thank's for your post..i'l study your strategy e i'll apply in my airlines...

thank you so much