The description of these two:
Lie-Flat 160: "A lie-flat seat that's still sloped by 20 degress but is slightly wider."
Full Bed: "Luxurious seat that converts into a completely flat, non-sloped position."
So how come the first is LONGER than the second?
(And since we're here, they apparently have the exact ratings...)
I wondered that myself
No, flat beds have higher ratings if you fly long haul...
But since full bed occupies less space, it is only logical to go with the full beds :)
Yep, there is a problem with the seat dimensions. We are working on that too.
No, flat beds have higher ratings if you fly long haul...
Please, do not state things that are incorrect.
I tested the two configurations with the 772LR all the way to 18,500 km and they have perfectly identical rating profiles - for Y, C and F each!
The most you could say is that you assume that they have different ratings within the subset that is approximated by the same number of bars, but there is not an easy way to prove it.
Hi,
5 bars could be anything between 80 and 99. We only see the number of bars when we check the quality of the seats.
If you want to see the exact difference, you need two planes flying the same route. All variables that influence the product rating (price, on-board service, ...) should be the same, apart from the seats. Then you check the ORS product rating of the flights. If there is a difference, it is probably caused by the seats ;-)
Have a nice weekend,
Jan
Didn't I just said that in essence in the last paragraph of my last posting?
But unless there is proof for the difference (as per your detailed explanation), there is a much higher probability that there are no differences, since it would be highly improbable that the switch down and switch up of ratings as a function of the distance would happen at the EXACT place and for all classes (OK, for C and F since for Y is 5 stars from 0 to 18,500)...
Please, do not state things that are incorrect.
I tested the two configurations with the 772LR all the way to 18,500 km and they have perfectly identical rating profiles - for Y, C and F each!
And you know that what he says is incorrect? You went on to say there wasn't an easy way to prove it ...
Didn't I just said that in essence in the last paragraph of my last posting?
Not the way I read it. Jan offered you a straightforward way you could do test it. Why not give it a try? :)
And you know that what he says is incorrect? You went on to say there wasn't an easy way to prove it ...
Duh...
ORS ratings have a randomness factor coded in. For the very exact same flight today it's 61 tomorrow it's 63 (which makes the game a whole lot more fun) (and I've proven it in a previous post... with attached print screens) and the day after tomorrow it's 61 again. Given this Heisenberg-uncertain-like situation, I restate that there isn't an easy way to prove it... especially given the identical information rendered in the cabin config evaluation tool.
Not the way I read it. Jan offered you a straightforward way you could do test it. Why not give it a try? :)
OK, nevermind. We're using arithmetics to explain quantum mechanics (but that's fine).
Hi Sheldon Cooper,
I am very sorry... I studied Latin & Greek, and spent 15 years teaching morals/ethics. If you cut me open, you will find very little mathematics, let alone quantum mechanics. English is only my third language, so I may be wrong if I see sarcasm in your use of the word arithmetics.
Anyway, I also was confused by your last paragraph: at the most assume that there are different ratings (with the same number of bars) and not easy to prove... it doesn't sound as if you are convinced that your own test results are correct.
Perhaps you should explain what you mean with "testing". Did you have two 772LR's (one equipped with Lie Flat in the three classes, and one with Full Bed seats in the three classes) flying on different routes, all the way up to 18500km ? And did you check the ORS ratings for the three classes and these different routes ? Or did you open the cabin editor and "test" what it gave as passenger rating for these seats ? In that case speaking about "rating profiles" and "assume there are different ORS ratings" sounds more plausible. But in that case we use a different definition of the word testing ;-)
And by the way, I don't see a randomness factor coded into my ORS ratings. My ORS ratings are boringly identical, day after day.
Jan
I can only confirm that there is no randomness in the ORS rating. The difference in yours are due to changes in image, for example. if ou got new planes but still have a small fleet, the average aircraft age or condition might have shiftet, changing your company image.
I agree that I've never seen randomness in the ORS. The image of course can change from flight to flight, however if the two flights being compared were scheduled to depart at exactly the same time I think that they would receive the same image score.
@ Davp: I agree. I only meant to offer morefocus an explanation for the change in ORS rating over several days