Hi,
A lot of real life regulations are reflected i the game. So I would not be surpried if a real life limit on props is also introduced i the game. And what is the reason for excluding props in Jakarta ? Is the airport so busy they don't want slow approaches/finals ?
As for the seat dispute in Aspern: you could allow any seats in any class... and just make them stick to that configuration for the next 6 months.
:P
Jan
Possibly impose a time limit on changing configurations, as removing/adding seats, tv's etc. can't be done instantly (but are in the game) this would make greedy players think twice before ripping-off a business passenger in a slimline seat.
Hi Iain,
although it would surely be nice to see how the players - who now demand the right to run a low cost airline with slimeline seats in first class - would react if they were given that "right" for the next 6 months... And how they would cope on a shrinking market... I was merely kidding ;-)
A simple and effective way to stop excesses would be if passengers don't book if your rating is lower than x. At the moment x = 1. If x becomes 10 or 15, everybody will still be able to sell his tickets at a high price, but the excesses will be gone. Without complicated rules.
Jan
Hi sobelair,
And what is the reason for excluding props in Jakarta ? Is the airport so busy they don't want slow approaches/finals ?
CGK in real life is extremly full with aircraft, I guess thats the reason...usually you can expect to wait 20 minutes or more at the holding point and during rush hour you can also except quiet an amount of holdings if you are arriving...have experienced these delays several times now and I guess will contuine to experience them in CGK...
Yes - on the one hand we increased the costs so it is normaly not possible, but due to the usage of small seats in business and the increase of the business standard price it becomes economical again. We are discussing about minimum requirements for some classes but this is a mid term thing.
As like the mail saying about the small seat in high classes. But one problem is what kind of seat is small seat? Is there any Definitions for the small seat? Can you guys tell us, what's the min seat for C and F!
Some ES airlines are already leaving ES ... (e.g. my competitor) ... probably they do not want to become part of "investigation"... but there are logs on who was a member of ES at the time.
Myself, as I had to respond to my competitor installing Slim HD seats, so as I have stated in the other thread I have done that previously during the past week on about half of my fleet (new arrivals), I am making a statement here to install at least Leisure Plus in business class on low competition routes and will keep the recliner shorthaul on the other part of fleet. I will see what my competitor does with his new arrivals from now on and if he does convert at least part of his fleet back to reasonable C/F config.
This is a business simulation game, players need to receive maximum benefits.
And that is the whole point of the discussion that has been going on for the past 24 hours.
3 - air have a very large business plan, The business plan is the best choice for 3 - air.
Yes and you got to that large business plan by following ES guideline to install up to 50-60% C class in slimline HD/standard on CRJ, or by installing Standard seat in F class on your 739, right?
I want to see how you would make it ahead with reasonable config, as I have started from the beginning with reasonable config, which can be proven by AC logs.
I was not the one who started the complaining frenzy. You and your fellow ES buddies invented the slimline HD for C (and most likely for F as well), other people just copied your alliance. If you have a supermarket and selling tomatoes for a buck a pound and competitor starts flooding market with tomatoes at half a buck a pound, you have to adapt. And it also works in reverse when there is scarcity of goods and demand exceeds the supply but all the while are selling a reasonable product in the stand at the farmer's market but competitor comes and takes advantage of the misery and huge demand and offers half rotten tomatoes at double the price. Because there is so much scarcity of tomatoes people will buy even half rotten tomatoes at such high price...soon enough you find that the competitor has bought half the stands at the farmer's market selling half rotten tomatoes at high price... so if you want to stay in business you have to follow the suit.
And that is exactly what you and your ES buddies have achieved here... people following your suit because if not they would be much worse off. But such a gameplay is not one of a trendsetter, but one of an usurer. I have airlines also on other gameservers where I run reasonable airlines with reasonable configs...and I am doing well against the long established players.
As was mentioned... come on and try the strategy (AS) on other servers...try to come and dominate them. but I do not foresee that happening.
On CRJs in real world, there are quite a few airlines that chose to offer the standard seats for business class.Those seats are the exact same ones with economy class. However, they offer better service, priority boarding, etc.Here is a video about the CRJ1000. The explanation about business seat starts at 00:45.Also, there are some low cost airlines in real world, who offer standard seats on their business products.For example, Spring Airlines, the largest low cost airline in China.They have a product called 'Business Economy Seat', marketed as 'SpringPlus‘.Basically the seats are the same. They just provide the first few rows in their A320 as this 'Business Economy Seat'.They offer complimentary meals, drinks, towels, extra baggage allowance, etc.This is the same with what we do in the game. We could offer very good service, even though the seats are small.Have a look on the Top 30 airlines in Aspern. Almost all of them are using small seats in higher classes.Also, have a look on the Top 50 airlines, most of them are using high business class ratio in their fleet. Only 30% of them are ES members, and they did not invent it.This business strategy is NOT banned before, and it represents strategies in the real world.
I don't agree that this behaviour is a "real world" strategy at all.
In your real world examples only 16% of the seats in a CRJ are used for bussiness class customers (16/100).
I in fact went ahead and checked just how much more expensive these bussiness (or "First" as they call it themself) class seats were...
To fly HOP! (what this LCC is now called) CRJ "First" class seats you pay an extra premium of 16% over the rest of their 84 "Bussiness" class seats
(which ofcourse hardly even qualify as normal economy class seats given they have no onboard service included and are of minimal size).
In your example with the Chinese "SpringPlus" Service it is also apparent that this is a small extra you can buy on top of your regular economy seat for no more then $10-30 (yes the prices is visible despite your attempt to blur it out), which I think we can safely assume is no where near 3x ticket price.
I think everyone agrees that it would be perfectly fine to use slimline seats for bussiness and first class in AS aswell, as long as we are not able to charge more then the 10-30% higher price to cover better onboard service that real airlines do.
1068
Here is an example of using standard seats on business class in real world while charging 3x the price.
This applies to all Dash 8s, CRJ700s, CRJ900s and E190s and E195s in their fleet.
As we can see, this strategy is used in the real world by many major airlines, even though passengers may not like it. (also posted on another thread)
Here is an example of using standard seats on business class in real world while charging 3x the price.
This applies to all Dash 8s, CRJ700s, CRJ900s and E190s and E195s in their fleet.
As we can see, this strategy is used in the real world by many major airlines, even though passengers may not like it. (also posted on another thread)
Wrong, the business class is actually TWO economy seats when it is in used. With the other seats BLOCKED OUT means that the seat is also used the by the business class passenger. That's in the explanation on the right.
Wrong, the business class is actually TWO economy seats when it is in used. With the other seats BLOCKED OUT means that the seat is also used the by the business class passenger.
Correct. The business class in this case has double the space as an economy passenger.
And again..... on what routes is this jet used?
LHR-JFK?? Don´t think so...
Just to know it: What is the worst seat in business class that is still regarded as "fair play"? Leisure, Leisure+ or rather Recliner Shorthaul?
Just to know it: What is the worst seat in business class that is still regarded as "fair play"? Leisure, Leisure+ or rather Recliner Shorthaul?
I am looking forward to knowing this, too. What could we use in Business/First which is accepted by AS staff?
have a look at the biggest airlines on aspern right now. it's not those using LETs, using C-class on a whole plane... it's the guys with the 737-600s and the EMB195s... so what?
like each server starts, there are people finding out ways on gaining profit easily and i don't blame them. some of them will disappear, some others will find a way to prosper the business and some other will be the mimimis.
Hi,
A lot of real life regulations are reflected i the game. So I would not be surpried if a real life limit on props is also introduced i the game. And what is the reason for excluding props in Jakarta ? Is the airport so busy they don't want slow approaches/finals ?
As for the seat dispute in Aspern: you could allow any seats in any class... and just make them stick to that configuration for the next 6 months.
:P
Jan
Seems like, yes.
Currently, there are issues regarding local government who asking some airlines in CGK to move their flights to HLP (Yes, we're talking airline with jets) just because CGK seems too full of aircraft. On Januari 2014, some of them will actually move to HLP, to give CGK some breath in the matter of slot and parking spot.
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Well, he is gone now... But I don't really see the point of putting that on the forum here. Just report it to the team.
Is he? Oh right sorry, I've been gone for the past week-I'll take it off.