Something is wrong here, as it is completely impossible to plan now.
It just happened again. This is the second time.
On the aircraft market, I bid on an aircraft. Others bid higher, and I decide the aircraft has gotten too expensive, so I don’t increase my bid. Instead I look for other aircrafts, and if available I bid on those.
Now what has happened on two occasions is, I end up winning an aircraft, on which another bidder bid higher. Now I end up with two aircrafts, not one, not what I had planned, when not renewing/increasing my bid.
If this is a not a mistake, it is a very stupid feature, as either we should keep enormous cash reserves, or limit ourselves to bid on one and only one aircraft at a time, and wait for that auction to be over, even if our bid is surpassed by others.
Now I have scheduled them, and they are to start ops on the line tomorrow. I just find it strange that you end up with aircrafts that you have not had the highest bid on. But I could very well have misunderstood the bidding process
AS will confirm this but my suspicion (from what you have said) is that maybe that highest bidder reset his company before the end of the auction therefore the auction winner would revert to the next highest bidder (you). But I may be totally wrong
Ian, I thought about that. But this should have happened twice. And hardly seems reasonable, as this way we will need either an enormous amount of cash as a back up, or only participate in one auction at a time, and wait for that auction to finish. If someone bids higher than me, and I decide not to increase my bid, the auction should be over for me, and I shouldn’t be prevented from looking at and bidding on other aircrafts.
Speaking of bidding; prices from Aircraft Trade and Leasing Organization for used aircraft is often higher than leasing a new aircraft on Ellinikon. At least for the 737-800 Winglets. Why is that?
Speaking of bidding; prices from Aircraft Trade and Leasing Organization for used aircraft is often higher than leasing a new aircraft on Ellinikon. At least for the 737-800 Winglets. Why is that?
The price is only slightly higher and it's only happening for pretty new aircraft. Haven't seen this being the case for aircraft older than 0.3 years. So I assume that's the extra charge you have to face if you want to access that aircraft right away and not wait for delivery like with the planes ex works.
That's the only reason I can think of that would make any sense.
AS will confirm this but my suspicion (from what you have said) is that maybe that highest bidder reset his company before the end of the auction therefore the auction winner would revert to the next highest bidder (you). But I may be totally wrong
I can confirm this. That it happened twice is just a random effect.
It is clear that the money are not returned, as it could be a way to drive up prices, and consequently a way to cheat.
Now, driving up the price, and make a reset, and dump the aircraft on a player, that have lost the bidding contest by not increasing his/her bid, is not cheating? It is pretty much the same, you drive up the price, with the intent of not taking the aircraft but rather have a competitor pay more.
It is clearly a stupid design of the game, as this allows bidding up the price for competitors! The only reasonable result of a winner of an auction resetting his company would be to restart the the auction. Anyways, my hope for any reason in here are quite limited. But to the best of my liking, this is a flaw, and contradicts other rules about bidding with intent to drive up the price!
This is your personal view based on the experience. But that is a typical b2b auctioning system where you should bid the price you think this is justified for this aircraft. Making a bid on a 2nd aircraft without having the money from the first back is your personal decission and risky. Who should have an interest to increase the prices?
Bidding is anonymous, so it's not that they are "after you" trying to increase your prices and leaving you with two aircraft).
My suggestion: when your bid is outbid, look for who is online and check his airline name and start date (yeah maybe be difficult on new server that has maybe 20-30 people online at every moment) and then if the aircraft is reverted back to you, check who eliminated his company. If it is the same user doing it again and again, maybe talk to him or report him, though there is nothing illegal in deleting the company. But if he is doing it repeatedly, he may be warned by AS, maybe ...
The price is only slightly higher and it's only happening for pretty new aircraft. Haven't seen this being the case for aircraft older than 0.3 years. So I assume that's the extra charge you have to face if you want to access that aircraft right away and not wait for delivery like with the planes ex works.
That’s the only reason I can think of that would make any sense.
Well, I’ve seen the prices of the used Boeing 737-300/400/500 and compared them with the prices of Ellinikon and Gatow (Fornebu). The price in Ellinikon were suprisingly twice higher than on Gatow or Fornebu. So, why’s that?
Let me ask you ... why not? The gameworlds are seperated and have nothing in common - some parameter may be changed. I'm not sure if they are, but the introduction of the new aircraft market may have been in that time and the existing values on old gameworlds may still exist.
There are a few things I have noticed that drive the price of aircraft on the used aircraft market…mainly age and condition. However another one which a lot forget about is demand…
When an aircraft is first out on the market, say an E195… It retails new at 1.775, the same E195 will be available on the market at above 1.8. However if the aircraft is still available after a week the system will reduce the price and this will keep going to a set percentage minimum (not sure what)
Therefore if people are willing to pay the higher price then the aircraft will go for that…no demand = reduced price
It seems you are contradicting yourself. At least when I consider what is said in the thread about money back when outbid. I linked to the thread earlier..
In case of money back before the auction is over, this is NOT done, in order to make sure people don't bid just to drive up prices.
The same can very well be valid here. You bid and bid and bid and bid and bid some more. And then hope a competitor keeps bidding higher, and then dump the aircraft on him/her. If not, then reset the your company and start over. The goal is the same. Make aircrafts as expensive as possible for competitors. Only thing is, in one case you, AirlineSim, ban it. In another case you don't! Absolutely no logic whatsoever!
Maybe it is a surprise, SK: But I do indeed think about bidding. And when I decide to stop bidding, it is because I think it has reached a level where I see only a limited profit, or no profit at all. Therefore I stop. There is a need to invest to make money, to invest and make more money and then re-invest again and again. Following your flawed and contradicting logic about investing, it would slow down any potential expansion by close to 75%. I believe it was you who said "we shall have fun." Have a company that is stalled because it is impossible to bid on aircrafts, and therefore having a company that is not expanding is hardly fun, and leaves very little reason to be here. I might as well watch the trees outside the window change color. Heck, that will happen faster than expansion done your way! Nothing personal, obviously! But the logic is flawed and the rules are contradicting each other.
So if "we shall have fun" get rid of stupid rules that prevents fun, and get rid of rules that contradicts each other.
Sorry to ask but are you suggesting there are players simply setting up and shutting down airlines to simply cause your airline issues? That would take a lot of time, and would mean the user never ever actually has an airline. To be honest I think you have been very unlucky rather than been picked on...
Ian, I have never said so. That would be stupid. I do not think this is something personal.
However I have twice experienced the same thing, only on the Ellinikon server.
I am merely pointing out what I think is a problem, that makes it completely impossible to plan anything. I have suggested that where a player is resetting, the auction should start over. This makes any potential cheating by inflating the price impossible, and it makes it possible for players to leave an unfinished auction, by not increasing a bid, and participate in other auctions without the chance of defaulting on payments. This is actually only quite fair, that players can decide not to continue in an auction, without later being forced to take an aircraft, and go to other auctions if any so may take place. The existing system does not allow for this. Unless you keep a huge amount of money in reserve. Which is what SK seems we should do. I happen to not agree at all with his opinion, which is why I write my suggestions. As I said, the logic of keeping the money until an auction has ended, to avoid cheating, is contradicting the rules that is in force in this case where a player decides to reset his business.