Close of Russian Airspace for New Worlds like Quimby as Solidarity to Ukriane

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As I read, your “not perfect solution” ist simply doing nothing.

Surely there are two sides on this discussion: keeping it as real as possible means, in fact, doing nothing. And trying to soften this impact by changing things, that’s the other side.

As a direct victim of this development (I will lose one of my airlines on Kaitak soon) I must say that I’m disappointed. It’s not because I just lost a piece of work that took many hours to build up, but because of what I think is simply ignoring this. I have no problem with realism, but why not keeping this back and announce a prais raise withing two weeks, maybe? This will give players a long enough time to think about a strategy to counter this and keep AS real nonetheless.

Furthermore: WHY did you choose as you did? What were your thoughts about keeping it the way it is? Just speaking for myself, but reading your blog post it says to me: ah we have no clue how to solve this so let’s do something else. :frowning:

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Hi, thank you for your response!

I understand the frustration. We did consider different options - trying out a different price model could be a viable option for the future, but we also noticed that the current week’s fuel prices went down a bit compared to last week, so we hope that this will lift some of the financial pressure. We know that this situation is tough on your companies, so we’ll keep observing where the price trend is going.

I hope this answers some of your questions, but if not, let me know!

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On Kaitak you will loose an airline? With the old ORS?
That sounds really wired. Of course, earnings are going down very much with the fuel price but is it really so bad that you will loose an airline?

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I started an airline using MDs only. I grew quickly and surely made a few market related mistakes but had a good income and margin. AGEX decline decreased the margin a bit but fuel price development switched from income to loss immediately. Unfortunately I wasn’t quick enough to respond and couldn’t change aircraft in time.

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That’s business my friend. AirlineSim is a simulation after all, you cant always win.

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Ok. MDs are nice but not the right choice im that period of economy. But still - it would be wrong if AS would help. There is a reason why MDs are not flying in real life.

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This is another step of getting rid of new customers and just keep the innerest circle of people who want to have it as realistic as possible…I dont think thats the majority here.

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Its a game taht you pay for. You paid some money to start you airline and suddendly circumstances destroy your effort. Tell me which other simulation does that.

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Well, I’ve had a lot of experience with race games where I paid good money for the game but often lost races and only with experience and effort could I win races. The same goes for other games I’ve played like Football Manager where I lost out on championships because of bad management or problems in strategy. Just because I paid for the game didn’t mean I was always winning. If that would be the case the game would be pointless to me. The game is interesting exactly because there is a chance to loose, in case of AirlineSim, going bankrupt.

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the difference is, you lost the championship of yor bad management or problems in strategy and not because the game made all your players injured or sold your players

In my case I paid just 10 Million more for fuel in just one week, which is about 8 percent of my total income… this is not bad management, this is a big impact

but hey, why listen to a player who played for over ten years

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The game, from the very start, has had changing fuel prices. They went up and down. It is part of the game and not a mistake, a fluke, a bug or whatever you want to call it. That you didn’t anticipate that fuel prices might go this high is not much different than if I wouldn’t anticipate that a competitor in a race would do one less pit stop or something. It’s bad judgement, even if it’s common to not consider these prices.

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well ow is your airline running? would you put the same argument if your airline would be in danger?

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And would you be arguing differently if your airline would be running well and perhaps even beating competitors because they have more problems with the high fuel prices.

The reason for the argument doesn’t much matter. An argument is valid or not and should be taken only on it’s merits. So, if you have a problem with the argument, please write that down.

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We are arguing on quite a low level but I’m fine with it.

Take a game like mini metro. I paid for it. Every time I play it, I eventually die. I improve and next time I play I might last longer but will still eventually die. I don’t die because it’s something wrong with my strategy, I die because the game will eventually kill me.

I think AS should look into making a sandbox style world. Unlimited demand, no slots, no AGEX, no fuel prices and maybe unlimited cash. That would probably be greatly enjoyed. There you can play without every worrying of going bankrupt. Regardless of strategy.

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No, the argument in this discussionis is always personal because it affects different.

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As far as i see, after a one-week high fuel price cycle, pretty much everyone is impacted by it on my server, and i would say i probably see a lot more airlines get into trouble if the index is on the low side. most of the difference i see in the results is more because of the airlines’ fixed cost, e.g. leasing cost etc, the financial condition will be impacted the same way as a low index.

When you have a server in which most people are running a similar strategy and are less dynamic, there are no ‘beating competitors’; everyone loses. If you want to be an extreme competitor and the environment changes rapidly required for fast response, then please just promote that to your own server, but please don’t assume everyone is on the same boat.

Most of my airlines will probably survive with that crazy fuel price, especially my largest units but as you can see i have been against it at the start. I don’t think Henning’s oldest and largest division will go under either. How he starts with MDs is not a bad strategy on my server and it is quite common for successful growth. I used them the same way he did when I started. I think it is really fair to be unpleasant to see everything go wrong at that stage when an unexpected change makes everything falls apart, and you can’t do anything with it because that’s the time when you don’t have the chance to even change it fast enough other than let it go. I don’t really care if i will benefit or lose, all I see is the people strongly want to keep the high fuel price just want to see their competitor go down, which is sadly just wrong. If you want to have more competition, there are far better ways than an extreme fuel price to push them out completely. To be fair, i think the server is best when there are large competitions. I miss days when i join kaitak when there are a lot competitions.

Actually, considering the cause of the high fuel price, what it sounds like the closing the airspace in Russia and Ukraine should be also enforced with high fuel price because i just don’t see two of them happening independently. For some weird reason, I see most people are against it than the high fuel price.

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Closing Russian and Ukrainian airspace would be a fun scenario to play in. Especially as a Russian carrier, I cant fly over Ukraine or Europe but neither can those carriers fly over Russia. It will be a challenge, but a fun one. This will also need to take into consideration the increase in flight time for “banned” carriers. Also ban all subsidiaries of a banned carrier. As an EU carrier you cant just have an Uzbek subsidiary that is unaffected. Ukrainian Airspace needs to be shut down for everyone, immediately suspending all operations of Ukrainian carriers.

It will take loads of work from a development point of view but I would like it. Though, I don’t think it will ever happen. Firstly, because of the programming needed and secondly because of more or less 80% of all airlines somewhere overfly Russia and will need to alter schedules and mess with slots and planes.

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I think it will be a fun one to have, but i don’t think it is proper to apply to any of the currents severs. It probably will be great in your sandbox mode, and i think if it is a current server, i think it will be fair for you to apply that change.

In my opinion, there is a great difference between what we want to have and change to the current AS, and what is probably good and fun to have in general. I don’t think people will run their airlines the same way if AS is to meet the reality, and i don’t think most airlines on AS will look like the same way as they are currently either

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Hi everybody.

Well… I like reality, of course. In my opinion, we all need to adapt to it somehow. I mean, this game should somehow simulate the reality. But… Just let me share my opinion, please.

Back in 2019, I used to play on Croydon. In March 2019, all 737 MAX airplanes were grounded. Actually, I did not have to, but I voluntarily grounded all my 737 MAX planes and leased some 737-400s instead. I thought it is the end of the world. Back then, it actually affected my airline quite a lot, and it was the, so called, “beginning of the end”. Haha. Current situation is much more difficult, and one really needs to think about it and adapt the network.

In 2021, in June, I decided to launch an airline in Ukraine, in Kyiv. In the beginning, I actually served Moscow. But - I dont fly to Russia anymore (since September). After some 8 years of a conflict, and more than 6 years of this “flight ban”, we still allow airlines here to fly between Russia and Ukraine. Sorry, I really think that’s awful. I believe that somewhere in this forum, somebody mentioned it is “just a temporary thing”. It is not. But okay… Let’s just introduce a ban on flights connecting Russia and Ukraine. That might help some, at least. And of course, let’s maintain current fuel prices.

Well, why am I talking about it? What would eventually happen to my carrier, if Ukrainian airspace gets closed? In my opinion, simulating reality is important. But would there be any benefits, simply, anything, for those of us who actually have airlines either in Russia or Ukraine? That war is not my fault.

Back then, I wasn’t expecting anything like this to happen. And probably, I was not the only one. So, let’s just pick up the chance - this awful situation can improve our skills and finally, it is gonna be a bit challenging! :slight_smile:

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Hey, thank you for your feedback! That isn’t the intention here, but of course we understand that this is a challenge for new companies, so we will keep following the price development closely.