I am running Taiwan Airlines on Aspern.
For example, my flights TPE-SIN and TPE-NRT are filled with only a handful of O-D passengers after each day of booking. In reality, it seems that this number is so low compared to reality... I would expect at least 100+ passengers each day each direction between major Asian cities like Singapore, Tokyo, Taiwan etc.
You are not the only one that offers connection between those cities, either non stop or one or two stop. Run an ORS query to see where you stand in the reservation system.
I do have 100 on the ORS and I am also the only one with score 100. I thought I would have all the demand on my flights until mine are booked before the system move on to flights with score 99?
No it does not work that way.
You will get a slightly higher proportion of bookings than flights at 99 ORS and those get slightly more than those at 98, 97, 90 etc. but you will not get all the existing bookings until your flight is full.
There is a proprietory formula that distributes those passengers, but the proportions of distribution of a flight with 100 ORS is very close to proportion of distrbution of flight with 99 ORS. Yes you will get somewhat more passengers but not that they book you first before moving onto the next lower ORS flight. You will of course get substantially more direct passengers than a flight with 80 ORS or 60 ORS rating.
So meaning that if my rating drops from 100 to 99, it would affect my loading by much? Also let’s say when I reach score 100 and continue to lower price, does that give me more bookings or once that it reaches 100, there is nothing to improve about the flight anymore?
So meaning that if my rating drops from 100 to 99, it would affect my loading by much? Also let's say when I reach score 100 and continue to lower price, does that give me more bookings or once that it reaches 100, there is nothing to improve about the flight anymore?
Yes an no. I usually go for 99 as rating and 1 point won't affect much as you would usually be at least 10 points over your competitor anyways. If you have top rating and you lower the price the connection rating will be higher but your direct rating won't change.
I see. Didn't know this is how ORS works! So how many O-D passengers I get on a route also depends on how many competitors' flights are in the market?
For example, if my competitor has 5 flights a day and I start a 3-weekly flight, does it work if I bring it up to daily to get more passengers? So that I have a higher proportion of flights in this market?
Yes, higher frequency will get you more passengers in general, but even more important is that those flights can connect to other flights.
If you can fill 5 flights every day then that is better but if you can not fill them then it is better with one flight which you can fill.
Yes, higher frequency will get you more passengers in general, but even more important is that those flights can connect to other flights.
This goes back to another thread in which flying 10x CRJ/EMB's daily is better than flying 5X 737's with the way ORS calculates passengers with the same total passengers either way. It is easier to fill a CRJ/EMB than a 737 and so you will get higher load percentages and thus greater profit margins. It is why you see people flying 50x between major cities using the regional passenger jets instead of narrow body/wide bodies.
People do not fly widebodies between major near cties because widebodies are uneconomical on short routes.
People do not fly widebodies between major near cties because widebodies are uneconomical on short routes.
Point taken...just narrow bodies. Wide bodies are good for moving large #'s of passengers and feeding other flights and that is about it from my experience. Long haul wide bodies alone are fairly difficult to do more than cover operating costs.
Point taken...just narrow bodies. Wide bodies are good for moving large #'s of passengers and feeding other flights and that is about it from my experience. Long haul wide bodies alone are fairly difficult to do more than cover operating costs.
I wouldn't say so... My 787-900 on IAD-DOH, makes AS$110, 000 one way net profit.
A 787-800, LAX-MAN, makes AS$91,000 one way net profit, so that is AS$91,000 x 2 x 7 = 1.27 million per week from just ne single 788.
Or a simple 788 IAD-DUS, just a short 6300 km hop, AS$70,000 net profit one way.
All this is on legacy server with legacy long haul pricing.
You just have to know how to correctly configure and price your long haul.... and of course, make your network fill your long haul with 100% LF.