Demand ratings update for the remaining servers

Hey there. I haven’t played on one of the “older” servers, meaning those that were started before the demand ratings were updated to finally allow for more realistic cabin configurations.

My question is: have any of the older servers gotten this update yet? And if not, will this happen in the foreseeable future?


I’m not sure what exactly is meant.
As you talk about the “realistic cabin configuration”, I guess you mean the ORS-Update, where the ratings of flights are calculated differently to the “old way”.

Today, that is only introduced with new servers - and these new servers all had been temporary servers (like Otto, Bleriot, Quimby,…).
I think all servers starting in the future will come with that patch, but the “old” servers won’t get an update regarding the ORS. Imagine what would happen: All airlines on the old servers (some of them dealing with thousands of aircrafts) would have to re-configure their cabins - a pretty costly thing.
Players that don’t react on that update will probably have empty airplanes after 3 days (… and go bankrupt after days/weeks).

Hope that helps.

Yeah, thanks.

I don’t, however, see what the problem would be with updating the old servers. If anything, those airlines’ ratings would go up, no?

I’m also not quite sold on the argument, that adjusting the seating is that expensive. It’s not nothing, but it’s definitely doable in a week or maybe two. And if the update is announced two or three weeks ahead of time, there should be no complications.

I just think it would be a big improvement over what we have now, and I don’t see it as something anyone wouldn’t want.

It is more work to do than you can imagine. That’s why most likely it will not be introduced to the old servers.
Imagine, you have to change the setup for 10.000 planes - see Pearls, one players is flying that many planes. Not only you have to change the seats but also adjust prices and so on. You may also remember the announcement of slot blocking precautions - weeks of shouting. This was not funny.
Let’s wait for a new server. Or if you want, you can start on a private world like Halifax - we have the new ORS.

Thanks for your insight.

Meh, I guess maybe I’m looking at it from a biased standpoint, but I still don’t see it as so problematic. What was the slotblocking thing?

Do you think there’ll be a long-term server with the new ORS?

Private server eh? … That sounds expensive :sweat_smile:

Many regional planes were forbidden to fly between 10 bar airports. That was the slotblocking thing. You may search for it on the forum, you can read for days.
A private server costs 360 EUR per month and 25 players can join. That makes it not expensive for each player. :slight_smile:

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Ah yes, that’s the slotblocking story. That’s been a whiiiiile ago. I must not have been active in the forum when that happened, because I can’t remember any kind of uproar.

So that’s about 14€/player then?

Most of those discussions were indeed in the German part of the forum.
14,40 EUR per player if 25 players joined. We pay 20-22 EUR per month on Halifax at the moment.

Ratings would go red unless prices would be lowered, but that would kill your revenues.

So you’d need to re-configure.

Costs for the cabin certainly isn’t a factor, as the required dollars usually should be earned in few days.

But here are some problems to consider:

  1. fleets with big seats often use Light/BGW aircraft variants and would need a change to Heavy/HGW to cope with increasing payloads or switch to other types
  2. airlines that operate at the edge of payload/range with heavy/HGW variants would need to look for other types which possibly wouldn’t fit into schedule (cruise speed/turnaround) or are simply unavailable

All this would let you run into either

  • type size restrictions
  • production queues of several years
  • loss of slots
    or - in case one would make it - would result in massive overcapacities which smaller airlines in the way of big ones probably wouldn’t survive.

For my airlines that would mean a production queue for roundabout two years, several airlines to be deleted as there wouldn’t be a workaround and lots of work for the CEO - while money wouldn’t matter.
Personally, I consider the “new ORS” to not justify such havok as it is only a little tweak to an existing flaw. Things would be different would ratings and demand distribution receive a massive patch too.


What about new airports and airport database updates? Do you think we can see these changes on old servers?

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That is the plan. But it seems to take longer than announced.

Can someone please explain what this relative demand ratings thing actually does? Is it intended to kill the low-density model that some airlines use? Or does it do something else?

Retrofitting 1000s of planes and changing pricing for 10,000s of flights would be virtually impossible. I’d have to buy new planes due to lack of range in cramped Y conditions.

It just changes the demand on some routes. It does not effect the ORS, only the amount of PAX that want to fly the route.

Don’t confuse this thread (about the tweaked ORS) with new relative demand that was rolled out yesterday.

Aktuell beobachte ich zb das die Langstrecke total einbricht. In China ging auf Kaitak schon sehr sehr wenig und jetzt geht null… Alle Flüge sind bei nur 55 % Preis nur zu 20 % Ausgebucht. Und das Aufkommen soll real sein? das es von PVG oder PEK kein Flug nach LAX mit einer B787 geht? Sorry für mich sieht es so aus als wenn man sich den alten Servern entledigen will und dies damit beschleunigt