There is already some time passed since the new version was launched. I've been trying to get things going in this new way but i just can't. The route management provided me an easy to use tool which allowed me to upgrade or downgrade equipment on a route. I could see on one single page at a glance (most of the times without scroll) if the route needs bigger equipment and WHEN it needs it. For example i could see that most flights are performing very well but early morning flights perform bad. This affected my decisions on the timeframe in the day when a bigger equipment is needed.
Now i have to permanently switch between Inventory and Scheduling to evaluate a route and its still hard to see clearly the overview and its much harder making a decision on the route. It has become a pain to manage your routes and it takes lots more time then i'm willing to invest in a game. You know i also have a life to live, can't sit here countless hours a day.
So i expect from the creators of the game a clear statement on the Route Management. Are you willing to bring it back ? (complementing the currently existing Scheduling and Inventory) What are your plans to alleviate the pain of managing our routes. And please don't say that we will get used to this way of managing our airlines. It is impossible when you have almost 500 airplanes and it will not happen. You should know that if you were playing with a big airline in a competitive manner.
So please tell us your plans. I need to know this because i have 84 credits left. If the situation is not improving soon then i will not buy further credits and will have to leave unfortunately after investing 4 years in this game. It's a shame because I've enjoyed it very much and always considered airlinesim a great game. But currently i have no other solution as my time is limited.
Some players are in the same position, unfortunately, and are awaiting the statement. While for me R.M. is not necessary in the form it used to be, I understand the fact that some players may need it to make strategic decisions. Not everyone plays this in the same way, and each uses different tools, methodology and strategy for analysis and making decisions. I accept that old-style Route Management may be one of those tools for many, who are now “lost” and cannot clearly “see” their airline.
Again, while I personally do not need R.M. in its previous form, I have been talking to various players here on the forums who are really not happy, are frustrated and are seriously considering leaving.
My question to Martin is, is there a way to make an “overview” page for these players (e.g. without being able to make changes the same way the route management did, in programer’s words: only read, no write), where the flights would be displayed in the same layout and style as the old route management? This page might be accessible from Inventory, and could be called “legacy market analysis” and would show the flights the same way as before, meaning bookable/fully booked, with Y, C, F, cargo on one line, etc., but again only for review purposes, no changes permitted on that page. This could be a compromise and a goodwill towards those players, some kind of an intermediary solution, while they get used to the new Inventory / market analysis combo.
P.S. I will refer back to the other thread about Market Analysis, there certainly is a need to de-clutter that page and make it more readable, I suggested grouping by Flight Number there as well.
@lacisoft - Since some time ago I almost do not use the route management, instead I use office statistics and is inbound and outbound routes, then only after that I check a particular route. It now takes me actually less time doing it this way than how I was doing it previously through route management and checking it route by route. And I run several airlines with 600 planes and then some more with 80 to 200 planes.
Office statistics DOES NOT show you which of your flights perform better and which worse. And i refer to particular flights between the same city pair not a general overview between two cities. Inventory shows you a Load summary on the top which also doesn't help deciding on which flights i'm going to upgrade or downgrade. And the table below that called "Data" doesn't help as that table is way too crowded with information and its practically unreadable in a fair amount of time.
I agree with Lacisoft as stated in my own post regarding this matter, and second the request for a better overview and/or an easily readable route overview tab (as default tab.
Maybe I am just too lazy - I always use load monitoring to check load instead of route management.
Frankly speaking, people don't like changes. Someone will just be displeased. So If you were the person, I would start to sing "let it go" to you :wacko:
Maybe I am just too lazy - I always use load monitoring to check load instead of route management.
Load monitoring is a page that still uses the "old" Y/C/F booking class scheme (i.e. one row per flight) and urgently needs to be cluttered before the announced new features arrive.
Maybe I am just too lazy - I always use load monitoring to check load instead of route management.
Frankly speaking, people don't like changes. Someone will just be displeased. So If you were the person, I would start to sing "let it go" to you :wacko:
I don't know why people feel the need to post comments out of the scope of the initial post. Load monitoring will not show you flight assignments also!!! I need a page with everything on it. Not broken down into a whole bunch of places so i click until i get bored.
I don't really see why another "statement" is necessary. Route Management won't and can't come back in its original form for reasons stated plenty of time. I also do not intend to waste precious development time on building a make-shift solution like rubiohiguey2000 suggested. What I do intend to do is to continue to listen to your feedback and incorporate it into the new pages and tools. The many changes that took place in the same week of the release should be proof to that. Although I'd love for some people to tone down their sarcasm and subtle attacks on a personal level, I appreciate all the feedback and criticism I receive and I try to find the core reasons underlying those complaints to make the best of it.
After about 1.5 weeks of use, I have to say that I actually like the new interface better than the old one. I just had to change the way I did certain things.
I don't really see why another "statement" is necessary. Route Management won't and can't come back in its original form for reasons stated plenty of time. I also do not intend to waste precious development time on building a make-shift solution like rubiohiguey2000 suggested. What I do intend to do is to continue to listen to your feedback and incorporate it into the new pages and tools. The many changes that took place in the same week of the release should be proof to that. Although I'd love for some people to tone down their sarcasm and subtle attacks on a personal level, I appreciate all the feedback and criticism I receive and I try to find the core reasons underlying those complaints to make the best of it.
Ok, so Route Management won't come back in its original form. Can something resembling it be created that will function in the current framework? It seems that you have many paying customers who are not happy with the new setup, myself included. I know that I am not the only one who is on the fence about continuing with the game, considering how much more awkward it has become; your second sentence above almost pushed me over the other side of the fence, so to speak. We still have not been told whether there will be come sort of compromise that will allow us to have something that works like the old Route Management (it doesn't have to be exactly the same thing as before). I am getting the feeling that the answer is "no." If that is the case, then I am sure that I am not the only member who will have had a very difficult decision about quitting the game made much easier.
I don't understand why so much resilience to embracing change. Many players do no longer miss Route Management ... you see maybe 5-10 players repeating the same thing over and over (please take no offense). That is out of about thousands of players....
There have been several suggestions made to improve Inventory and Market Analysis, in its current form, to be more intuitive, but I think that is as far as it will get; Martin & team have those suggestions (maybe some have slipped through the cracks) and if they consider them viable I am sure they will seriously consider them. You can browse the forums and provide your input to the suggestions. Also Martin said, in one of the threads, he was open to suggestions for improvements to Inventory and Market Analysis. But none of you miss-the-RM folks, have given any suggestion on improvement with the exception of wanting the old RM back.
P.S. If martin reads this, can he maybe open a thread and post what suggestions they are working on in short and medium term (as far as 6.2 workflow). So we do not have to repeat them over and over or do thread bumps.
But none of you miss-the-RM folks, have given any suggestion on improvement with the exception of wanting the old RM back.
This statement is not exactly correct.
If I could just have a screen that shows my flights and those of my competitors on the same route, it would make a huge difference for me. Is there such a thing or, if not, at least a willingness to consider creating something like that?
Regarding those who have been labeled as haters of change (which is not fair to them): many of us have been playing AS for a long time. We have devoted much time (and some money) to this game which we have come to love. Our comments/suggestions/complaints are no less important than those of anyone else here. And for the record, I am not against any change which results in an improvement. However, change just for the sake of change is not necessarily an improvement.
If I could just have a screen that shows my flights and those of my competitors on the same route, it would make a huge difference for me. Is there such a thing or, if not, at least a willingness to consider creating something like that?
Well, Market Analysis (accessible from Inventory) is exactly that.... it shows both yours and competitors' flights on one screen.
Many players do no longer miss Route Management ... you see maybe 5-10 players repeating the same thing over and over (please take no offense). That is out of about thousands of players....
Since there are not thousands of players posting on the forum, your numbers are meaningless. Unless you have contact with a player, you do not know how they feel about the recent changes. Silence does not mean happiness.
That being said, I agree with Saewald. The disregard for what customers are asking for is a little unsettling. It is enough to make myself whether to continue to do business with this sim. Since I have three years invested in my airlines, I am sure I will do a small credit purchase to give the development team the benefit of the doubt to fix these issues...
It seems that you read only what you want to read. We, "the complainers" have explained it in numerous occasions that what we really hate is the need to click back and through between Scheduling, Inventory and Market Analysis. The RM provided a simple and easy to follow overview of our flights. After all, we don't have your time on our hand (1618 posts in the forum ... wow i wish i had that time). And if you still hang around so much then please don't consider that you need to intervene in every post that is posted here. If you like the sim as it is please go ahead and play it. Leave us with our pain.