Why are we so rich?

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First, we do a few math problems. 3 × 14 × 800K =? , 27 × 14 × 800K =? The answer is 33M, 302M. 
 
Second, I want to tell you, a 74Y a flight of profits, 800K. When the game begins, 74Y rent only 180 ~ 300K per week. So, if, when the game starts, you choose the three 74Y, then seven days later, you will get a profit of at least 33M. Day 7, I have 27 744s, Day 15, I have 92 744s. 
 
Third, there is no more a third. This is our secret of making money, I said, to choose the best aircraft of the best routes. 
 
This is not my invention. In about two years ago, another company done so. When I found him when he already has 40 new 74Z, just a month's time. 
 
We have found someone better, we would think, how did he do? How should we do? How can we be better? But some people think, "liar", "cheat", "unfair", "They made ​​me feel so bad," as well as others. 
 
Please, grow up, like adults. Open your eyes and see the world. Apple, Samsung developed so fast, killing Nokia, MOTO, Sony Ericsson. This is the real world, this is the competition. 
 
We can discuss what the game needs improvement. But you can not complain because we are faster than you. 
 
Finally, I want to give someone a word: 
 
Too young, too simple, sometimes naive.
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hero of the day?

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It's always a thin red line in between using market mechanisms as a gap or using systemic gaps.

I totally agree, that what you are doing is perfectly fine and within the rules. One might don't like it or see it as unfair, but it is correct.

However - as it is a known system caused market gap - I am not sure, whether executing this strategy is something to be proud of, at least as an adult. I understand, that you use this to easily gain an advantage by denying the abstruseness of this strategy in RL. But I don't think that in doing so, you are far ahead those people who grow by well thought market strategies and good operations. Maybe both parties should think about their communication, but in this case, it is probably not worth to put more oil into the fire.

Regarding the underlying problem ... personally I doubt, that market mechanisms will correct the advantages of that early strong cash flow later on. So in terms of a balanced game play, I think some change is required. Either within system or within the rules. But we will see how the respected companies will be able to turn strategy into something more sustainable later on.

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It's always a thin red line in between using market mechanisms as a gap or using systemic gaps.

I totally agree, that what you are doing is perfectly fine and within the rules. One might don't like it or see it as unfair, but it is correct.

However - as it is a known system caused market gap - I am not sure, whether executing this strategy is something to be proud of, at least as an adult. I understand, that you use this to easily gain an advantage by denying the abstruseness of this strategy in RL. But I don't think that in doing so, you are far ahead those people who grow by well thought market strategies and good operations. Maybe both parties should think about their communication, but in this case, it is probably not worth to put more oil into the fire.

Regarding the underlying problem ... personally I doubt, that market mechanisms will correct the advantages of that early strong cash flow later on. So in terms of a balanced game play, I think some change is required. Either within system or within the rules. But we will see how the respected companies will be able to turn strategy into something more sustainable later on.

As I said, the same strategy has appeared two years ago in the AS. But then there is no blame to him. Maybe, just because he does not belong ES. 
 
If it is only to discuss technical, policy, or game settings. We have a lot of good suggestions. But some people are abusive, curse. They do not want to solve problems like adults. They just want to vent. 
 
We do not want to fight, but we are not afraid of a fight.
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Nobody shall fight. You shall have fun instead. ;)

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Nobody shall fight. You shall have fun instead. ;)

If there would be a 'phrase pig' in English language you would have to pay a lot this morning. ;)

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I know :D

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In the real world, you'd be sued and not allowed to operate as a monopoly. Regulations would be passed by governments. Today, Amazon, Google, etc. are more and more facing these problems, because through innovation they've achieved monopolies in the world that are dangerous to sustain. Too much power on too few people/companies. It's not good.

Great of you for finding a strategy that puts you ahead of everyone else. But don't complain about the rest asking AS management to make regulations in order for this not to happen and make the game more balanced. I second that petition. A balanced environment is good for everyone.

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In the real world, you'd be sued and not allowed to operate as a monopoly. Regulations would be passed by governments. Today, Amazon, Google, etc. are more and more facing these problems, because through innovation they've achieved monopolies in the world that are dangerous to sustain. Too much power on too few people/companies. It's not good.

Great of you for finding a strategy that puts you ahead of everyone else. But don't complain about the rest asking AS management to make regulations in order for this not to happen and make the game more balanced. I second that petition. A balanced environment is good for everyone.

 
Other people buy 732 \ 733 \ AB6 \ 757 \ 330, they are good. We bought 744, we are bad. This is your rule? 
 
Please answer my question clear, yes or no.
 
I repeat, the real world there are antitrust laws, but AS does not. If you have any ideas, please give clear and fair rules. Nobody accused CX \ SQ \ EK \ QR monopoly, although they monopolized the domestic market. 
 
Also, I have another company using only MD11,757,767 and 738, all are "good airplane." Its profits are still more than 95 percent of the size of the players. it is now the assets of 387M. No 747, no small seat. This time, tell me what you're going to blame. 
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That your spoiling the lease market for everybody else?

Like I previously said, people are running an airline playing for weeks to be able to lease a new aircraft by that time they find out that all aircraft are gone and the cheapest is 5 mil, by the time they have the money to buy that the prices are even higher. 

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I repeat, the real world there are antitrust laws, but AS does not.

We do have some kind of, but not as much as in the real world. Of course you are right, you are not doing something violating the game rules. But you have to keep in mind that this kind of extreme playing is not very welcomed by other and this will bring up the player against you. AirlineSim is getting exited once you have to compete in a world which has a satisfied demand meaning you really have to fight and be clever against other. At the moment you are only doing a small children job. Get a plane put it on a specific kind of route and wait... ;)

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One has to distinguish every situation from another. 

 

First of all my airline Sky Cargo was also falsely accused of cheating and I feel like I have to say something here to.

 

I started out with a clear strategy. I build up Sky Cargo very late in the game world Aspern. Everyone told me it’s not working out, cause you can’t make money with new planes and cargo. I proofed them wrong and run now the largest cargo carrier on Aspern and make good money. I applied this strategy to this server as well. I have my HUBs spread over the world, all within the right reach for 747-Fs to connect them. Each HUB has it’s own regional network. I learned on Aspern that for cargo a lot of transfer units are needed to work well. I haven’t tried if you can fly just routes here on this Server. What I know is that demand is dropping fast and that without a strategy behind you will not be able to fill your big planes anymore. I had no idea how much money you can make with those planes. My intention behind leasing 747-Fs was just to connect my HUBs over the world and of course connect each HUB with key destinations on it’s own. So what should I do? Stop growing? Lower the prices so I will get accused of price dumping? I guess there is no right way for pleasing everyone.

 

What I don’t understand/wouldn’t do is what some others are doing. Just check the route LGA-LHR (don’t know if he is using that on each of his flights). The purpose of this can only be to earn as much money as possible as fast as possible and not to build a - in common sense - well run airline. But after all I guess it’s within the rules.

 

I never liked old aircrafts and on earlier servers I never used them and could always build successful airlines. I trusted my E95s and build on them. I don’t want to ruin the fun of the game for anyone. And even though I might be a big airline, I don’t think that I’m the reason why AS might be unplayable for anyone either. I’m always open to cooperate and find the best solutions for all involved. 

 

Suggestions? Blame? Understanding?

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144h per TU204-100C

144h * 67 aircrafts = 9648h = 402d

ok, we should substract two or three cause of immediately delivery

Aspern started in november 2013

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144h per TU204-100C

144h * 67 aircrafts = 9648h = 402d

ok, we should substract two or three cause of immediately delivery

 

Aspern started in november 2013

What's your point? There are a total of 212 TU20's produced.

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It's not possible to order the aircrafts for himself. Therefore a lot of the TUs are from the second hand market. The TUs are very popular in Aspern due to the lack of old planes. Most of the bigger cargo airlines are operating them. And only one airline was able to lease them - it seems that one airline knew when the TUs are at the market and when he/she had to reserve enough money.

But that's not my point. After each server start we have the same discussions with the well known positions: "That's unfair" and "We are the best". I'm thick of being active in the forum in order to help AS as a great game for all players. And every time there are players who give a shit on the other players. I'm thick of the fact that every time some players gang up with "We know the game best and 90% of the other players are just jealous".

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Having enough cash for such situations is key and yes I always have at least 10 Million AS$ available for such occasions. There is no need to "know" when to reserve money. As you mentioned TU20 are the best cargo planes on the server, which makes them valuable. That's why I always check in the morning and the evening if some are available. And as I already mentioned, 212 are available, I own 67. Calling me the "only one airline" is a bit harsh, especially with this underlining let's not call it accusation but intention of yours.

For your second part I really have no words. Maybe you thought of it as an general statement and not your opinion (because of the "..."). Then I could understand it. But would you have read my earlier post, it's again not helping to find solutions but instead only an accusation. 

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I gues you mean "sick" ;)

Anyhow ... one may not like this - I'm not liking this either. But you have to understand also other having another goal to this game and are offended by anyone else. The point we all can do is not to give up due to other people with other aims.

And what I can do is having an eye on them and with a game rule violation speaking out a penalty which is as extreme as they are too ...

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derpendja

You missed the ball on that, my point is not that anyone is cheating, being better or what else. My point is that the market is run by the big airlines. Why? because they can keep the price high at all cost just by leasing the aircraft they want.

I leased 2 aircraft and fly my routes, but I also know that I don't have to play the game for the next 5 weeks cause before that I'm not even close to have the money nowadays to lease a next.

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*lookingdown* possibly really thick - but yes I meant sick

It doesn't matter the type of aircraft - depending on the server the aircrafts are 747, Tu-204, 736, Avros ... Next time 717?

Everytime there are player exploiting the game mechanism at the beginning. In my eyes there's no difference between exploiting the programming, abusing the empty world at the beginning and cheating.

The sense of the game is to operate an airline as an enterprise based on reality. Not to behave surreal or absurd in order to grow as fast as possible.

Sorry Sascha, but AS was not able to find a solution to start a server organized. Although it is a well known case for years now and although there were enough proposals to handle it.

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@derpendja

I'm with you 100%. You might see my airlines not that way, but each of them are well thought out and are not just flying the highest profitable routes. I don't use slim seats or fly only C or F class. Anyhow maybe I took this too personally cause you referred to the 67 TU20s  ;) .

Now I have your general opinion and couldn't agree more. On this server I am for the first time in this hated by all position and don't feel comfortable with it. AS is the only game I played and loved for years. As mentioned above I'm always happy to find solutions, I don't intend to break any rules or play unfair. Should someone feel like that, I would be glad to know what I could do instead.