Oh you mean that way. I misunderstood you for the aircraft to stay on the market for 8 hours without bidding.
Anyway I would say you do not want for the bid to last 8 hours. Nobody would almost ever be able to get aircraft at used market for decent prices under such circumstances and I am talking about public aircraft offers here.
Ok so this multi accounting stuff is getting ridiculous in my opinion, especially when the same multi accounter is posting with two different screen names. Can we have a master list of who is the same person (despite it clearly been against game rules)
Viennabert = ImperatorNero. On Aspern he is playing as Viennabert, on Pearls as ImperatorNero. No multiaccounting suspected (at least from my side) but yes, he is also judging with 2 eyes as he suspected TO as multiaccounting - somehow strange. And ridiculous.
Viennabert = ImperatorNero. On Aspern he is playing as Viennabert, on Pearls as ImperatorNero. No multiaccounting suspected (at least from my side) but yes, he is also judging with 2 eyes as he suspected TO as multiaccounting - somehow strange. And ridiculous.
But why does he play under 2 accounts, even if on different servers? It does not make sense.
Also he posts with 2 username on the forums, frequently posting on the same topic with both usernames to create appearance that two players have the same opinion.
I believe that one of his forum identities should be canceled in order to use just one forum username and not confuse other people and if possible, the other identity username should be transferred to his main username as a player in the gameworld as well.
Oh you mean that way. I misunderstood you for the aircraft to stay on the market for 8 hours without bidding.
Anyway I would say you do not want for the bid to last 8 hours. Nobody would almost ever be able to get aircraft at used market for decent prices under such circumstances and I am talking about public aircraft offers here.
How do you define decent price? IF someone is willing to pay more for the aircraft, than that is the correct market price.
I think it is a great idea.
If you want to help someone offer them advice. Sub-market discounts are distortions, not reflections of reality, no matter how far some posters contort their arguments to say otherwise.
hi spezialist, thanks for replying
let's address the issue point-by-point
nobody claimed that private leasing is wrongdoing. i also lease cheaply if possible.
it has been claimed a) that you got a huge advantage over any other startup in us (that can hardly be denied) which can be seen as quite unfair, B) and that the optics to have this collusion between an uab member and an as team member is not a good one.
it is my opinion (and i am NOT alone) that "officials" should refrain from that and deliver the best example possible.
if you take the rules literally nothing is wrong.
the "calculations" are not ridiculous. they probably fit well. CBE stated in the meantime that the figures might be achievable. so it comes into consideration that i was wrong with my suspicion that there might have been other malversions. the figures would then just show how big your advantage over the other players was.
that you shall make your point is only fair.
i also want to make the point that there were no clear accusations but reasonable grounds for suspecting. if you would publish your results we all might learn something and the case would become cristal clear. it is your decision of course.
i want to state that your last post gave me a better feeling and the hope that the case will be cleared away.
You have accused both Spezialist and also me. It is now proven that nothing went wrong and within the rules.
Say sorry for blaming us to cheat. That would be fair. And then close your vendetta and witch hunt and fight on Aspern and not here in the forum.
But why does he play under 2 accounts, even if on different servers? It does not make sense.
Also he posts with 2 username on the forums, frequently posting on the same topic with both usernames to create appearance that two players have the same opinion.
You have to ask him - I asked him several weeks ago to contact support regarding this but obviously he did not.
I'm sorry to say, but the last "yes" is a joke, unless you are blind.
Pay attention: Highscore and Spezialist adjust all things. All planes went to Spezialist. The few exceptions, the leasing was cancelled. Spezialist is the one who knows the auction time.
This is, IN FACT, a direct donation of nore than 100 million.
We are not stupids.
It is not a direct donation and done within the rules. So stop talking bullshit - thanks.
And yes, I would lease out cheap planes to nearly everybody (some exceptions) but today, I have not enough money to give them to all players here. But perhaps in a while. Just note: there is no possibility to give planes to someone for free. You should know that after playing since a couple of years.
If you still need a concept how to compete with US Nr. 1 (Blackhole), ask for help.
How do you define decent price? IF someone is willing to pay more for the aircraft, than that is the correct market price.
I think it is a great idea.
The planes would then go to the richest companies and not to new companies. Which is the reason why planes are leased out for cheap - to support new companies.
Anyway I would say you do not want for the bid to last 8 hours. Nobody would almost ever be able to get aircraft at used market for decent prices under such circumstances and I am talking about public aircraft offers here.
Not really, which is why I suggested the 40% or below book value threshold. If you want to dump an aircraft, let more people have a chance at it. If you want to help out a company, set up a time to try and push through a quick, one hour auction. Then put it up for 50%. That would still be a good deal on a new narrow body, without it being unethical.
Here is a question. I control a company that I bought on the stock market. The only way I can lease a plane from one of my companies to the company that is listed is at book value. Why have those restrictions in that situation, and have no leasing restrictions otherwise?
Because your public subsidiary has other shareholders, and public companies must do all transactions with related companies at arm’s length in real life, the concept is copied in AirlineSim.
You have accused both Spezialist and also me. It is now proven that nothing went wrong and within the rules.
Say sorry for blaming us to cheat. That would be fair. And then close your vendetta and witch hunt and fight on Aspern and not here in the forum.
dont' you read?
it has been claimed that spezialist got a huge advantage over any other startup in us (that can hardly be denied) which can be seen as quite unfair, and that the optics to have this collusion between an uab member and an as team member is not a good one.
it is my opinion (and i am NOT alone) that "officials" should refrain from that and deliver the best example possible.
a) elsonsj founded an airline on us on aspern as well. even earlier than spezialist. like others. spezialist bypassed them by using this dirty trick, NOT AVAILABLE to others.
that is extremely UNFAIR.
team/uab for instance decide about cases of cheating. but people like you and spezialist damage the moral authority of team/uab severely. don't you get that?
spezialist tricks his own customers like elsonsj. is that necessary? couldn't he play fair like anybody else? how can we trust team/uab if members demonstrate that they are not fair?
tell me.
b) this move was extremely dirty and now you hide behind the formality of the rules.
also the mysterious "LET hordes" have not been illegal based on the literally rules but have been closed - by team/uab? where you are member of and bend the rules in your favor?
c) nothing is "proven". the growth of spezialist looks very unreal at the first glance.
what i said is that his moderate post and CBE's arguments made me believe that it might be possible. but it is on the extreme side.
unfortunately he refused to post his figures although we would not get any advantage out of it. that still casts doubts.
again: is that necessary? couldn't you and he play fair like anybody else? how can we trust team/uab if members demonstrate that they are not fair? is it necessary to trick your own customers?
no. it is not.
Viennabert = ImperatorNero. On Aspern he is playing as Viennabert, on Pearls as ImperatorNero. No multiaccounting suspected (at least from my side) but yes, he is also judging with 2 eyes as he suspected TO as multiaccounting - somehow strange. And ridiculous.
dont even know what TO means
It is not a direct donation and done within the rules. So stop talking bullshit - thanks.
And yes, I would lease out cheap planes to nearly everybody (some exceptions) but today, I have not enough money to give them to all players here. But perhaps in a while. Just note: there is no possibility to give planes to someone for free. You should know that after playing since a couple of years.
If you still need a concept how to compete with US Nr. 1 (Blackhole), ask for help.
highscore, it is you who talks bullshit
you transferred - within the first two weeks of an airline - a value of about 100 mio AS$ to this airline - as i simply calculated for you. so elsonsj had a disadvantage based on the starting capital by a factor of more than 1:10.
and then you even dare to bragging around?
just refrain from playing dirty, then you won't have such a discussion.
the advice for elsonsj to compete with black hole is simply: keep on playing and your airline will grow. black hole did not need such kind of "help" and also became big. very simple.
But why does he play under 2 accounts, even if on different servers? It does not make sense.
Also he posts with 2 username on the forums, frequently posting on the same topic with both usernames to create appearance that two players have the same opinion.
I believe that one of his forum identities should be canceled in order to use just one forum username and not confuse other people and if possible, the other identity username should be transferred to his main username as a player in the gameworld as well.
You have to ask him - I asked him several weeks ago to contact support regarding this but obviously he did not.
highscore, you are a bad person.
1. it is simply allowed to have 2 or more identities - read the AGB as already elaborated, i think that spezialist also commented on that already.
2. because you recommended that to me, i contacted the support 4 times with that topic and suggested that they merge the identities. how can you now say i did not? your "alternative facts"
so far, the support did not show any interest for that
3. usually i post as imperatornero, if it is viennabert, then it is just a mishap
4. there were solid reasons for the 2nd identity and both exist since years
so please dont distract from the topic. open a new thread for it if you want
Imperator, TO means Topic Owner.
And how often do we have to tell you again. The cheap leases ARE available to other players as well. Not by the game, but by other players. It takes a friendly email. Maybe even YOU would get that advantage, if you only tried.
I believe we can close THIS topic now. The initial question was how such a big airline is possible within a short time frame. Multiple players have explained this. IF there is anything else to discuss, please open up a new topic and discuss it there.
Thanks
And how often do we have to tell you again. The cheap leases ARE available to other players as well. Not by the game, but by other players. It takes a friendly email. Maybe even YOU would get that advantage, if you only tried.
I believe we can close THIS topic now. The initial question was how such a big airline is possible within a short time frame. Multiple players have explained this.
I advocate you to close this topic!
IF there is anything else to discuss, please open up a new topic and discuss it there
A new topic isn't necessary, they may also write PMs to keep forum clean :) (I already said ImperatorNero to write PM)
dont' you read?
I did - but did you read the arguments from other players like Rubio who clearly showed how it is possible?
In real life I would sew you for false accusations - not possible here unfortunately but a simple sorry would also do it.
highscore, you are a bad person.
2. because you recommended that to me, i contacted the support 4 times with that topic and suggested that they merge the identities. how can you now say i did not? your "alternative facts"
so far, the support did not show any interest for that
so please dont distract from the topic. open a new thread for it if you want
Oh, you did? Then I have to say sorry for my false accusation - what I am doing now. Sorry.
This has gotten out of hand. I agree with both sides. I made a post yesterday but deleted it. Yes, leasing planes out between companies does happen in the real world, there are always bigger companies looking out for each other, as they say its who you know and all that.
However 94 planes worth nearly 200million in 18 days is a kick in the teeth when a newish player will take up to 6 months minimum (thats if they get it the profit to do it) to even have 50 planes of the same calibre. What ever anyone says, whoever got those 94 planes definitely got an advantage over most players and to play it down as “its allowed” doesnt change that fact. If it was 15-20 planes, or a few planes, thats fine. But 94? 94??? No that is clear collusion and favouritism to whoever started that airline up. You cannot kid anyone , there was a conversation between these two CEOs that said something like “Mate give us a load of planes, lets destroy this market” “yeah sure lad, Ill give you all I can for nothing!!! interline with me and we will lead this game world!”. The fact its two “staff members”? (UAB and AS? I am not sure what they mean) does lead me to believe that these are are good mates and having some fun. I doubt who gave those 94 planes away was really doing it to make money for his own airline nor do I suspect they would give a newbie like me 94 planes straight away. It’s common sense.
That said however! Its allowed and it does happen in real life. Business is not meant to be easy. In fact if AS lost this side of the game it would take out a massive realism aspect that I enjoy. Personally I do not mind what has happened here, but please call it what it is, there was two people who knew each other and one gave a lot of planes to the other for nothing. If it happens to you in your game world, where another airline sets up with a massive fleet instantly, dont rage, battle them or work with them! or work with their main competitors. Don’t bitch and moan!
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