Why China wings air are so successful???

Then why did u stop in mumbai if your business models works so well. Im happy about every competition in india :)

Because of lack of time  :)

But I'm a little bit sad that the buyer has no time too... if I always had the airline, Maharashtra would have more than 800 departures today 

I had also an airline in Bali (deleted by a naughty user) and one in Nairobi that is still alive and the first one there

Then why do u start so many airline. Concentrate on one and make it proper.

Hello

Answer in private message  :)

My airline in PNH may not pass the 2nd week since another one relocated his money from LHR to operate in PNH. With his 1498 flights/week, I reckon I could not stand for longer. 

I do agree that Riem is too hard for conservative fashion ways of playing. 

Your main task is making your first airline whit profits and 1500 flights per week is nothing anyways, also why stick in the east Asia Region I would promise you would find an empty 7 bar airport on Reim or any other server.

Your main task is making your first airline whit profits and 1500 flights per week is nothing anyways, also why stick in the east Asia Region I would promise you would find an empty 7 bar airport on Reim or any other server.

I do have an airline in another sever. In Riem, I, however, would like to find the ways that my airline can survive in the tough condition.

Your main task is making your first airline whit profits and 1500 flights per week is nothing anyways, also why stick in the east Asia Region I would promise you would find an empty 7 bar airport on Reim or any other server.

How should this be helping? Aside from the fact that you will not find a single empty 7 bar airport on Riem (not even a 6 bar or 5 bar I suppose), if the only hint one gets here is "restart your airline somewhere else" (although the airline worked well until the subsidiaries of the "China Wings and the like" start to flood all markets), then something is very rotten in the "state of airlinesim" ... (just to have once in my life more or less cited Shakespeare ;)) 

:(  :(  :(

Edit: Just to give you an idea of how "bad" the situation is:

One of the Sky Elite members just opened a new subsidiary airline in Bogota three days ago and already is by far the largest airline there (for now in terms of departures, I suppose from next week on also regarding the amount of passengers transported)...

I confirm that there are again many big airports free in Riem like Washington (IAD) or Havana (HAV) with only one operator....

The problem of Colombia is the same that Qatar or Cambodia : anybody can go there

Be quiet concerning these guys : when there will be a new world, they will leave and do it again elsewhere, they often are not long term airlines  :)

How should this be helping? Aside from the fact that you will not find a single empty 7 bar airport on Riem (not even a 6 bar or 5 bar I suppose), if the only hint one gets here is "restart your airline somewhere else" (although the airline worked well until the subsidiaries of the "China Wings and the like" start to flood all markets), then something is very rotten in the "state of airlinesim" ... (just to have once in my life more or less cited Shakespeare ;)) 

:(  :(  :(

Edit: Just to give you an idea of how "bad" the situation is:

One of the Sky Elite members just opened a new subsidiary airline in Bogota three days ago and already is by far the largest airline there (for now in terms of departures, I suppose from next week on also regarding the amount of passengers transported)...

if you wanna find single empty 7+ bar airport, you might want to consider buying space shuttle and start flying to the Moon.

otherwise these following airports seem quite deserted..

http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3411 Santa Ana, 7 bars, 92% empty

http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/650 Macau, 6 bars, 87% empty

http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/2266 Lagos, 6 bars, 90% empty

http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/520 Santiago, 7 bars, 89% empty

well, wonder where I could find the information, maybe you should also subscribe to Airline Sim Daily to figure what's going on 

restart will not solve the problem, when your country is invaded, existing airlines in that country should unite, thus increasing their size.

consolidate interline agreement with your partner airlines and also gain commitment from alliance to support you exclusively

it may not be easy, as the invader comes with a lot of cash, probably more that all your country airline balance combined,

but if you can work together with other airlines, the resistance might be enough to make the invading airline lose appetite and look elsewhere.

stop whining just hang on there  :P

May be someone asked this somewhere.

Have we ever had this experience when AS open new world before?

Thank you

honestly...?

if you wanna find single empty 7+ bar airport, you might want to consider buying space shuttle and start flying to the Moon.

otherwise these following airports seem quite deserted..

http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3411 Santa Ana, 7 bars, 92% empty

http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/650 Macau, 6 bars, 87% empty

http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/2266 Lagos, 6 bars, 90% empty

http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/520 Santiago, 7 bars, 89% empty

well, wonder where I could find the information, maybe you should also subscribe to Airline Sim Daily to figure what's going on 

Well, that´s not the point. It´s not about finding empty slots but airports where you can work profitably. If you for example perform a market analysis for SCL, there are (regardless of still having 89% slots unused) almost no short- oder medium-haul destinations where the passenger demand is sufficient to earn enough money to be able to survive a week or two if your alliances´members choose to invade one´s country.

Which leads back to the original question: Why did I (and maybe many others) misinterpret RIEMs description "Advanced Game World: Reduced traffic demand. ..." as "Game world with slower growth, harder competition and more realistic conditions", whereas they simply meant "Game world with reduced passenger demand"?  

if you wanna find single empty 7+ bar airport, you might want to consider buying space shuttle and start flying to the Moon.

otherwise these following airports seem quite deserted..

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I would add

St. Louis - 7 bars -92% (great location for connections) http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3498

Kansas City - 7 bars - 79% another great location for connections http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3495

Chicago Midway - 8 bars - 78% good location for connections http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3359

Charlotte - 9 bars - 81% huge real life hub - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3562

Orlando - 9 bars - 84% huge O/D destination in real life - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3319

Ft. Lauderdale - 9 bars - 85% - huge LCC hub in real life - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3307

Dallas Ft Worth - 10 bars - 73% huge American Airlines hub - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3665

Phoenix - 10 bars - 80% - huge AA hub - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3275

Las Vegas - 10 bars - 83% - huge O/D airport in real life - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3525

Salt Lake City - 9 bars - 89% - huge hub for Delta, good for connections - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3687

Denver - 10 bars - 71% - huge United hub, great for connections - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3292

Washington national - 8 bars - 86% - huge O/D airport in real life - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3730

Detroit - 9 bars - 82% - huge hub for Delta - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3456

Minneapolis - 9 bars - 81% - huge hub for Delta - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3479

Philadelphia - 9 bars - 76% http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3621

Tampa - 8 bars - 87% - big O/D real life airport http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3325

Want a pretty deserted airport great for connections? Then there's Omaha with 6 bars and 97% free - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3522

etc etc ...

and I have not left USA yet.

So no slots, Bawo? Come on!!

well, wonder where I could find the information, maybe you should also subscribe to Airline Sim Daily to figure what’s going on

LOL :)

Lagos is a very difficult airport, no need of going there.  ;)

THX  rubiohiguey2000

Okay, I try on Las Vegas Hopefully it will be a good bet.  :D

Edit: I am from Asia so I am familiar with US's cities.  :wacko:

I would add

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So no slots, Bawo? Come on!!

As I mentioned before:

Well, that´s not the point. It´s not about finding empty slots but airports where you can work profitably. ...

And by the way it´s not even about that, because:

restart will not solve the problem, 

:mellow:

I would add

St. Louis - 7 bars -92% (great location for connections) http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3498

Kansas City - 7 bars - 79% another great location for connections http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3495

Chicago Midway - 8 bars - 78% good location for connections http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3359

Charlotte - 9 bars - 81% huge real life hub - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3562

Orlando - 9 bars - 84% huge O/D destination in real life - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3319

Ft. Lauderdale - 9 bars - 85% - huge LCC hub in real life - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3307

Dallas Ft Worth - 10 bars - 73% huge American Airlines hub - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3665

Phoenix - 10 bars - 80% - huge AA hub - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3275

Las Vegas - 10 bars - 83% - huge O/D airport in real life - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3525

Salt Lake City - 9 bars - 89% - huge hub for Delta, good for connections - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3687

Denver - 10 bars - 71% - huge United hub, great for connections - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3292

Washington national - 8 bars - 86% - huge O/D airport in real life - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3730

Detroit - 9 bars - 82% - huge hub for Delta - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3456

Minneapolis - 9 bars - 81% - huge hub for Delta - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3479

Philadelphia - 9 bars - 76% http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3621

Tampa - 8 bars - 87% - big O/D real life airport http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3325

Want a pretty deserted airport great for connections? Then there's Omaha with 6 bars and 97% free - http://riem.airlinesim.aero/app/info/airports/3522

etc etc ...

and I have not left USA yet.

So no slots, Bawo? Come on!!

WOW WOW WOW, I should make new holding in USA a.s.a.p!!!

Lagos is a very difficult airport, no need of going there.  ;)

forget in which world, but one of the gameworld I played used to have the largest cargo airline based in Lagos.

doesn't matter where you start, the key is having enough connection to feed your network.

As I mentioned before:

And by the way it´s not even about that, because:

:mellow:

my point is, to be successful you really need a good strategy, whining will not solve the problem.

might want to start with this: http://community.airlinesim.aero/topic/8123-as-for-beginners-an-attempted-blog/

make some friends and learn something from more experience player, then modify the strategy as necessary.

my point is, to be successful you really need a good strategy, whining will not solve the problem.

might want to start with this: http://community.airlinesim.aero/topic/8123-as-for-beginners-an-attempted-blog/

make some friends and learn something from more experience player, then modify the strategy as necessary.

Thank you, but my point (still or even more) is: No matter how hard you try (using the "good old/ordinary strategies"), no matter how flexible you are modifying your strategy, you will never ever in no way be able to compete against someone who has (since the server has started ten or so weeks ago) made advantage of the "cargo price/demand" BUG (I call it "bug", for even spezialist had to admit that it wasn´t planned or wanted this way). Even if I manage to double my income every week from now on, they are that far ahead that (because more money will enable you to earn even more money...) I will never get anywhere near them, as long as they don´t lose any interest in the game. 

And knowing that, I for myself am totally demotivated to spend even more time to even try. And thats the point: The original configuration of this server was a mistake. But not fixing it asap made it even worse. One player after the other in a similiar position as mr_ryan or me will quit sooner or later (for me it´s seven days left until my credits are spent, but there are more players at least in my alliance - even ones who have played this game for years unlike me - who are about to leave, maybe forever). And that´s just because of a rubbish server/price/demand config that could easily have been fixed a few weeks ago...

And no, you may call it "whining", but one day you will understand that I was just trying to rescue the game.  :unsure:

Edit: Don´t get me wrong: Someone who has a better strategy or a USP (and you may call using the cargo-/longhaul-/whatever-bug a USP) should always rewarded in terms of higher income. The problem just is the amount/rate. And that was/is more than wrong here in my eyes.

 The original configuration of this server was a mistake. But not fixing it asap made it even worse. One player after the other in a similiar position as mr_ryan or me will quit sooner or later (for me it´s seven days left until my credits are spent, but there are more players at least in my alliance - even ones who have played this game for years unlike me - who are about to leave, maybe forever). And that´s just because of a rubbish server/price/demand config that could easily have been fixed a few weeks ago...

 

Strange that you say this, because this is not the only server with this pricing configuration:

There was Quimby I, Ellinikon, Quimby II, and now Riem.

It is NOT a new configuration. It's one year old and this is the 4th server running this pricing model. Those who like that configuration, play on Ellinikon or Riem. Those who don't like it, play on old servers and there are many of them running, and there are plentiful opportunities everywhere if one looks. What is new on Riem is actually a lower demand, but what's more important, is that the cargo strategy has just been discovered. Maybe not exactly, maybe it was discovered by some players on Quimby II, who put it to practice on Riem. Just imagine had they discovered it with Ellinikon, which had the same pricing and used aircraft. I guess you would have gotten a heart attack then.

The players come and go, some stick for months, some stick for a year or two, and some stick for years (maybe there are even some playing now for a decade). The same song of players will be leaving blah blah was heard with introduction of 6.2. Some left, some came, actually AS team wrote their revenue went up with introduction of 6.2, as it now has more business-simulation oriented tools such as inventory and market analysis, connection analyzer etc. There is always the same song with every new server, players complaining they will leave ... some do, most don't, and new players come in. Most of the big airlines (~70%) that fast grow on server start will liquidate before the server's first year anniversary. Our Chinese friends do not like long term play.

Anyway, Riem has nothing new that would have not been already implemented in Quimby I, Quimby II and Ellinikon. Again, the only new thing is lower demand and newly discovered business model. You don't like Riem, well, go ahead and try a different server. There are many to chose form, some with new aircraft only, some with old aircraft, some with no ground connections, some with modern aircraft, etc. Plenty to chose from.

“Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it.” 

(George R.R. Martin, Game of Thrones")

;)

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There is always the same song with every new server, players complaining they will leave ... some do, most don't, and new players come in. Most of the big airlines (~70%) that fast grow on server start will liquidate before the server's first year anniversary. Our Chinese friends do not like long term play.

Well, that´s exactly what bothers me here: That´s a lose-lose-situation. Some players leave at the beginning, because they can not or will not compete with  China Wings and the like. And then, after some time, China Wings and the like will also leave because of boredom etc.. Man, you can persist in saying that´s normal fluctuation, but I do not see anyone who´s winning here.

You don't like Riem, well, go ahead and try a different server. There are many to chose form, some with new aircraft only, some with old aircraft, some with no ground connections, some with modern aircraft, etc. Plenty to chose from.

Well, I feel a little bit like in "Groundhog day" when I have to say again that restart should be no primary option for anyone (and I keep wondering if you consider it a normal strategy to "solve" the problems by simply leaving the system...?). I for one spent a lot of time (and credits) on Riem and do not see any point in spending an equal amount of time and money again just to be (more) successful on a more or less deserted server...

And by the way, regarding your statement about what´s different on Riem: You are right - I can´t blame the game´s management for not seeing the cargo "strategy" (or should I say "cargo bug using"?) coming, but I can blame them for not fixing it immediately when the first airlines were reported.